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Edward Snowden: Man without a country, in limbo

The case of surveillance leaker Edward Snowden appears to be getting stranger and stranger.

He has apparently sought political asylum in a host of countries. (India is the latest to turn him down.)

Ecuador seemingly became more unlikely after Joe Biden placed a call to Ecuador's president over the weekend.

Russian President Vladimir Putin - while resisting U.S. requests to turn over Snowden - said something strange that Snowden should stop leaking U.S. secrets if he wanted possible asylum in Russia.

In surveillance-averse Germany, stung by new revelations of U.S. electronic snooping, sentiment seems to be growing to offer Snowden asylum in Deutschland.

Question: Have your views of Edward Snowden and revelations about the breadth of U.S. surveillance changed since this story first broke?

From the English version of Der Spiegel on line...


http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/edward-snowden-applies-for-asylum-in-over-20-countries-a-908953.html

Posted at 8:45am on July 2, 2013 by Allan Loudell

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Comments on this post:

billsmith
Tue, Jul 2, 2013 9:18am
Allan Loudell: The CBC reported this morning that Biden is pressuring countries NOT to give Snowden amnesty.

Once again, Biden the long-time bought and paid-for tool of the banking industry shows himself to be a political hack (and gets another free pass from the Delaware MSM).

It will be a messed-up world when Snowdon, a bona fide hero, is in jail, and Biden goes free.

Allan Loudell
Tue, Jul 2, 2013 9:19am
Not just the CBC. But it's interesting that Ecuador caved.

Shawn
Tue, Jul 2, 2013 1:50pm
I caught the last 30-45 minutes of the Bourne Ultimatum on TV over the weekend... great series of movies, I always have to watch them whenever they're on. But I was struck by something Snowden-esque. Towards the end, a government agent (Pamela Landy) helps the fugitive Jason Bourne in his attempts to unveil the truth about the program that made him. Bourne stole confidential documents (clearly labeled "Top Secret") and gives them to Landy, who promptly faxes them somewhere, one assumes to the media. She is seen as a hero for working with Bourne to leak these classified documents, while the people who created and perpetuated the corrupt government program are indicted and jailed.

Apparently art no longer imitates life (or vice-versa).

tonyi
Tue, Jul 2, 2013 2:19pm
Bona Fide Hero Indeed??? Have our standards for heroism dropped this low? Curious as to why you used the term "Caved" Ecuador has not shown great interest from the beginning. Overall the world is enjoying our discomfort, but in the end, they are themselves not guiltless. For a country to harbor Snowden would bring upon it a great deal of unwelcomed media scrutiny.

Allan Loudell
Tue, Jul 2, 2013 3:37pm
To Tonyi---

I will answer your question about why I said Ecuador had apparently "caved".

Remember, Ecuador's embassy in London continues to offer sanctuatary to Wikileaks' Julian Assange.

Furthermore, Ecuadorian President Rafael Correa - a leftist - likes to make common cause (often against the U.S., despite Ecuador's use of the U.S. Dollar and U.S. retirees who have settled in Ecuador!) with other leftist governments in the Americas, notably Venezuela, Bolivia, Cuba, Nicaragua, and of late, El Salvador.

Correa actually wrote a dissertation (at my alma mater, the University of Illinois) against the so-called, Washington Consensus. His philosophical underpinnings appear to be the old Catholic Left, liberation theology.

Doubtless, Joe Biden read Correa the riot act on things like trade.

Allan Loudell

mrpizza
Tue, Jul 2, 2013 6:00pm
I'd sure like to read Joe Biden the riot act and send him back to Greenville!

billsmith
Tue, Jul 2, 2013 6:21pm
Maybe the Wikileaks community can get some real dirt on old Joe and then spread it around. Maybe get him impeached and removed. Long overdue.

Allan Loudell
Tue, Jul 2, 2013 6:39pm
18:20

La Paz, Bolivia (AP): Bolivian minister: President Evo Morales' plane rerouted to Austria on suspicion Snowden on board.

(But the Bolivian foreign minister denied that report, saying they didn't know who would invent such a lie! Further, France & Portugal had closed their airspace to the Bolivian Presidential aircraft on the basis of this falsehood, and THAT forced the rerouting to Austria.)

Loudell comment: Snowden going to Bolivia would make sense. Bolivia is not as susceptible to U.S. pressure as Ecuador. The indigenous President Morales marches to his own drum.

The denial by the foreign minister might provide cover while Snowden is en route, but who knows? The next few hours will tell... Of course, an unscheduled stop in Austria - for completely different reasons - might have planted the seeds for a false report. But what information did the Portuguese and the French receive?


kavips
Tue, Jul 2, 2013 7:48pm
Snowden if that is his real name, has done himself a disservice. In his defense, it is not one he could have foreseen, but his detention in Moscow has lead headlines around the world, usually as the lead. Case in point, his name was in the first breathless line at noon and at 4 o'clock with Mr.Loudell's entrance itself.

All this attention has removed the shock and subsequent discussion over whether this spying though legal, was constitutional... There is nary a comment. The good he tried to do, is being undone by his own story which has become the media's focus.

I really couldn't care about Snowden... If he would pay rent I'd let him stay in one of my properties. But I do care that spying on every American was done in complete violation of what America is supposed to stand for. We tell Burma to step back, yet was are actually worse than they.

kavips
Tue, Jul 2, 2013 7:52pm
You don't need Wikileaks for dirt on Joe... The real scoop was that he did not get rich as a Senator; he had the lowest net worth of all Senators while serving. He does not kow-tow to special interests but takes governing for the people seriously; it is they who factor in all his decisions, and family is the most important thing to him...

That's as dirty as it gets.


mrpizza
Tue, Jul 2, 2013 7:57pm
Good to know Billsmith and I agree on Biden.

billsmith
Tue, Jul 2, 2013 8:00pm
Kavips: This from the guy who says Obama is the greatest president in our lifetimes. Forget about Biden and the banks. Biden and the chemical companies. Biden and Amtrak. He doesn't need net worth with all those sweetheart deals. Of course, you can't be blamed completely for not knowing about it. The Delaware media never mention any of it.

kavips
Wed, Jul 3, 2013 12:01am
The Delaware media are closer on point to Biden than any of the national media. Read how the Washington Post tried to frame his statement about inner-city schools into a racist gaffe.... It wasn't one, but they reported it as such anyhow. One can't trust any newspaper source with corporate sponsors and a corporate agenda. If you want the truth, get it from CBC... Can you find any links up there that don't praise him? From personal on-the-street conversations, they kind of think both current number-one and number-two occupants are the best we've ever had too... Like me, they see things objectively.

kavips
Wed, Jul 3, 2013 12:02am
I should say that was before the leak we spied on them. I'm sure they are pissed now.

billsmith
Wed, Jul 3, 2013 1:48am
Kavips: It's said love and hate are not opposites but twins. Starting to think the same applies to you and Pizza.

billsmith
Wed, Jul 3, 2013 7:33am
The U.S. shows itself to be the great international bully yet again. Biden and Company pressured the E.U. countries to force down a plane carrying the president of Bolivia because of a (false) report Snowden was on board. Bolivia's U.N. ambassador says it he will complain to the U.N. about this violation of international law.

And some of you wonder why the world hates this country.

I wonder what would happen if some other country grounded Air Force One.

billsmith
Wed, Jul 3, 2013 11:44am
Every time I see the headline, I picture Snowden in the Moscow airport. Two guys are holding a bar between them and Snowden has to dance under it.

I guess Snowden is not Catholic, since they did away with Limbo.

mrpizza
Thu, Jul 4, 2013 10:04pm
I too have been a "man without a country" since January 20th, 2009.

billsmith
Fri, Jul 5, 2013 2:36pm
Pizza/Kavips: But you're still here?

mrpizza
Sat, Jul 6, 2013 2:00pm
Yep. The tea party and I are working on taking it back.

billsmith
Sun, Jul 7, 2013 7:05am
Pizza/Kavips: Most of the public has had enough of both of you. The Republican leadership is moving to purge you. Wackos are like cicadas. They pop up every so often and make a lot of noise. Then disappear again. Strom Thurmond. George Wallace. Ross Perot. Tea Nuts today. Somebody else should be along in the 30s with pretty much the same spiel.

mrpizza
Sun, Jul 7, 2013 2:57pm
billsmith: Just curious. How do you figure me and Kavips are the same person? Kavips' political views are totally 90 degrees opposite, and in fact, his party affiliation is Democrat while mine is Republican?

I do share your view about him being crazy though. But then, so are you.

kavips
Sun, Jul 7, 2013 4:51pm
Speaking of crazy...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFvVDdVLkBU

mrpizza
Sun, Jul 7, 2013 4:55pm
Great clip, Kavips. I LOVE those old Lawrence Welk shows!


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