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Any creative U.S. approach to Egypt? Anyone?

Growing up in the 1960's, I was accustomed to hearing and reading about Egyptian President Gamal Abdel Nasser, one of the founders of the Non-Aligned Movement but increasingly aligned with the then-Soviet Union, which then assisted the Egyptians complete the Aswan High Dam (1970).

Could it be that Putin's Russia is already swooping in to court the Egyptian military and restore the Cairo--Moscow partnership, and this accounts for - in part - the Obama Administration's reluctance to follow the advice of Republicans ranging from Rand Paul to John McCain to Lindsey Graham to cut U.S. aid?

It could be argued that if U.S. aid represented that much of an influence, the Egyptian military would have been much more hesitant to overthrow President Morsi, and certainly to have unleashed the current bloodshed. Plus, the oil-rich Gulf states these days provide Egypt proportionally much more aid than the United States, even though Egypt has been the second biggest recipient of U.S. foreign aid (about $2 Billion annually) since 1979, behind Israel. (Although in recent years, Afghanistan and Iraq have received even more.)

To be sure, Moscow has no compunction about aiding an Egyptian military annilating the Muslim Brotherhood. In an earlier era, Nasser survived an assassination attempt (unlike Anwar Sadat a generation afterwards) from a member of the Muslim Brotherhood (although some conspiracy theorists believe Nasser engineered his own assassination attempt). Either way, Nasser's secular regime purged the Brotherhood.

The nearly always infuriating Spengler offers this analysis in The ASIA TIMES: http://www.atimes.com/atimes/World/WOR-01-190813.html


After you read Spengler's piece, let me ask you:

Would a President McCain have propped up then-Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak at all costs? Or in the end, would McCain have followed much the same approach as President Obama?

Would a President Romney have done anything substantially different?

I have my doubts.

For that matter, isn't it interesting how ex-Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton - who has already begun delivering "major" speeches (the first -- on voting rights)as she lays the ground for her Presidential bid - has been AWOL on discussion of Egypt?




Posted at 7:52am on August 19, 2013 by Allan Loudell

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Comments on this post:

billsmith
Mon, Aug 19, 2013 8:26am
If the Western powers hadn't spent the last 95 years meddling in the region to get their hands on its oil, control the Suez Canal and set up a Zionist state on land taken from the inhabitants (who in turn stole more land), none of this would be happening.
Libya. Syria. Egypt. Iran. Iraq. I don't care any more. The corporate elite wants Arab oil and so the corporate media want everybody worked up. Add to that the Zionist lobby's influence over the media elite and the media spin the scenario of Arabs as villains.

EarlGrey
Mon, Aug 19, 2013 10:07am
I think that both McCain and Romney would have done the exact same thing in Egypt as 0bama...especially McCain. That is why I sincerely hope the Republicans don't push yet another RINO in 2016....really doubt Reagan would have done the same as "O" in Egypt, Syria, Israel, etc.

And yes, it is interesting how Hillary has been AWOL from Egypt and Benghazi disussions. Will either debacle stick to her or will she be able to deflect all reponsibility... just like her hubby and this president have? Did Hillary actually accomplish anything positive during her post that would show her to be a good choice as the leader of our country?

EarlGrey
Mon, Aug 19, 2013 11:32am
"But the Obama administration (and establishment Republicans like John McCain) insist that America must support democratically elected Islamist governments. That is deeply misguided. The Muslim Brotherhood is about as democratic as the Nazi Party, which also won a plebiscite confirming Adolf Hitler as leader of Germany. Tribal countries with high illiteracy rates are not a benchmark for democratic decision-making ... As long as the United States declares its support for the humbug of Muslim democracy in Egypt and Syria, the rest of the world will treat us as hapless lunatics and go about the business of securing their own interests without us.~Spengler

Well said Mr. Spengler.

mrpizza
Mon, Aug 19, 2013 10:29pm
I come solidly down on the side of the Egyptian Military. The Muslim Brotherhood is a terrorist group just like Hamas and Al-queda.

As far as sending them anymore money, America is broke. Time for the rest of the world to stand on their own two feet.

Mike from Delaware
Mon, Aug 19, 2013 11:21pm
Mrpizza: Well said.

billsmith
Tue, Aug 20, 2013 8:28am
The Coptic Church split from the Orthodox Church after the Council of Chalcedon in a dispute over the nature of Christ. Because this the Eastern Roman Empire imposed Orthodox bishops on the Egyptian church who made it their business to torture and slaughter Copts. This only ended with Muslim conquest of Egypt (with the exception of the Crusades when Roman Catholics from Western Europe did the torturing and slaughtering).
The Taliban is the Muslim equivalent of the Tea Party, KKK, Birch Society, American Nazi Party and Westboro but otherwise Copts enjoyed toleration and religious freedom under Muslim rule, much as Christians enjoy feeling persecuted.

kavips
Wed, Aug 21, 2013 10:45am
Sorry I'm late getting to this thread. But there is one clear agenda that if proffered by the United States will keep our influence in that area for years to come.

That is to say: We will support what is best for the Egyptian people. They chose a government; then chose not to have it; they may choose to go back. As long as that is their choice, the US will stand behind the Egyptian people's choice if made in a fair and proper way.

That gets us off the hook for supporting Mubarak, supporting Morsi, supporting the coup, and possibly supporting Mubarak again.

As long as the Egyptian people and we are talking, millions feel the US is behind them, wants to make their lives better, that whmever becomes the person in power must respond to the wishes of the majority of Egyptians. We will have influence in that region. We just saw what happens when one doesn't listen to the wishes of the majority of Egyptians....

Mike from Delaware
Wed, Aug 21, 2013 1:16pm
Kavips: Sounds what we'd want others to do for us if the role was reversed. Excellent point.


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