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Does partial Federal government shutdown represent a breaking point for our politics?

We're obviously too close to this governmental shutdown to fully comprehend its impact, particularly whether it could change our politics in any fundamental way.

But some argue this represents a watershed...


http://www.nationaljournal.com/politics/the-beginning-of-the-end-for-washington-20131001?mrefid=LeadStoryTiles_normal

Posted at 8:41am on October 1, 2013 by Allan Loudell

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Comments on this post:

kavips
Tue, Oct 1, 2013 8:49am
The key point from the National Journal article and I'm sure Mr. Pizza will acquiesce.

"Cruz and other tea party Republicans pledge to do the impossible, presumably to build e-mail lists, bank accounts, and fame."

That in one sentence is why government is broken. The media share most of the blame for focusing on the crazies, and not the nerds.

JimH
Tue, Oct 1, 2013 9:07am
Why does everyone in the media continue to miss the point? The person elected to serve as president has two jobs. One is to ensure the safety and welfare of American military. The second is to present to Congress a federal budget for the next fiscal year. The current occupant of the White House has failed to do that for the past four years. This does not mean the "government is broken". It means we have a president who does not have the ability to do his job. If he presented a budget and we needed a continuing resolution, that would mean the process is broken. What we have now means the presidency is broken and he needs to be replaced.

EarlGrey
Tue, Oct 1, 2013 9:08am
Only "non-essential" Federal employees will be impacted by the shutdown, which begs the question... why are there non-essential employees in the first place?

And for those who like to bring up the "better days" of politics when Reagan and Tip O'Neill "got things done" and debates led to solutions...maybe you should revisit actual history and government shutdowns of the past.

"The government shut down seven times when O'Neill was speaker and Reagan was president. And they were real shutdowns, too, given that they occurred after Jimmy Carter's attorney general, Benjamin Civiletti, issued opinions in 1980 and 1981 saying that funding gaps had to lead to at least partial shutdowns of government functions. Five quasi-shutdowns happened before those opinions under O'Neill's watch, with Carter as president. And one more shutdown happened under Reagan and O'Neill's successor as speaker, Jim Wright."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/09/26/sorry-chris-matthews-tip-oneill-and-ronald-reagan-were-terrible-at-averting-shutdowns/

kavips
Tue, Oct 1, 2013 5:52pm
Jim H. Holy! Moly! You need to get on another email list. You were so punked on that one...

http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/Overview
http://www.c-span.org/Budget/
http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/Historicals/

The White House has put forth a budget every single year in your lifetime. Why you are today trying to lie your way out of this REPUBLICAN debacle is your issue.

The truth is that this is ALL the fault of Republicans...
Allow me to quote a knowledgeable member of the Senate...

"After blocking Senate Democrats’ attempts to start a budget conference 18 times over the past six months, Republicans are now scrambling to start a conference committee with mere minutes to go before a government shutdown. This is just the latest absurd and desperate attempt by Speaker Boehner to delay the inevitable–--bringing a clean continuing resolution to the floor for Democrats and Republicans to vote on–and to continue pushing the country toward a completely unnecessary government shutdown. If Republicans were truly serious about avoiding a crisis they would pass the Senate’s short-term funding bill to remove the threat of a government shutdown immediately."

Try and get out of that one...

And spare us the... if the Senate had agreed to defund Obamacare this would have been fixed long time ago.. Sheez...

It is as if Osama Bin Laden himself had said.... "If the USA had stopped its support for Israel, the twin towers would still be standing today." Sheesh...

YOU REPUBLICANS REALLY NEED TO LOOK HARD IN THE MIRROR SOMETIMES...

lol.

kavips
Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:04pm
And to save us time of you rebutting and me responding... the is the rebuttal ahead of time. We can skip some steps...

As was Rick Jensen trying to blame (unsuccessfully, I should add) Obama for refusing to acquiesce to the House extortions, claiming it was his fault for creating the crises because he would not sit down and deal with the extortionists, ... I would have to say that when one's kid has a tantrum in a store, starts pulling things off the shelves, screaming at the top of his lungs, saying he wants candy, are you the type of parent who says... ok, be quiet, calm down, we'll get you some candy. We'll get you lots of candy." Or are you the parent who picks the child off the floor, throws him over you shoulder, and carries him out to the car?

I know how Rick Jensen would respond to that situation. He has a fine outstanding daughter to show for it. Capitulating to the antics of a two-year-old, even if he is a Senator or Republican, is not good for any country. It is especially not good for the United States of America.

You don't negotiate with terrorists. Ted Cruz has done what Osama Bin Laden only dreamed of doing. Shut down the U.S. government. Americans do not negotiate with crazy people. We either help them with their mental health issues, or put them in jail.

Today, there are enough votes in the House to pass the budget opening the government back up. The Republicans know this... which is why that bill is not going on the floor.... There are enough votes.

Get it?

Crazies have shut down the government... These are not sane people we are dealing with here. Not in the least.

Time for Pizza. :)

mrpizza
Tue, Oct 1, 2013 8:55pm
Ted Cruz and the Tea Party Patriot Republicans are doing the job we elected them to do: OPPOSE COMMUNISM.

kavips
Tue, Oct 1, 2013 10:50pm
Right on cue.... :)

kavips
Tue, Oct 1, 2013 11:34pm
The dual equivalency is now under attack. This notion that the Democrats are at fault, is being pummeled as it should be. First it was pointed out by WDEL's own Allan Loudell. All the international media are calling the Tea Party as being the only ones accountable for the shut down.

After all I've said about the major media, I was shocked to see that NBC Brian Williams and Chuck Todd, flat out named the Tea Party as solely responsible for the shutdown.

The idea that Democrats had even the tiniest bit of blame, is disappearing fast from America's public consciousness.

I wonder if in 15 years, Breitbart will finally make the same conclusion. lol.

kavips
Wed, Oct 2, 2013 12:00am
As to your question asked in the title, does this spell the end of an era in American politics? The answer is it could, but is not likely to.

Before we get carried away, let us look at who is to blame. Ted Cruz. Now let us look at who is furious with him. The Republican Party of the United States, the Democrats, the people of America, world opinion (not that it matters much)..

So probably this will happen to paraphrase Trent Lott who originally said it...

"That Ted Cruz. They have to teach him something or cut his legs out from under him."

Failure to do that may dissolve our nation. But at odds of 315 million to one, I don't think that will happen....

mrpizza
Wed, Oct 2, 2013 3:35am
Time for a music break. Here's a song that perfectly describes Kavips:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mae_NJ_12sc

EarlGrey
Wed, Oct 2, 2013 10:21pm
The Democrats are starting to appear petty and lose their P.R. war on the Republicans as The Greatest Generation wouldn't back down when they went to visit a WW2 Memorial and it was barricaded off...wouldn't look very good arresting 90-year-old heroes going to pay their respects at their own memorial in D.C.

EarlGrey
Wed, Oct 2, 2013 10:34pm
Mr. Loudell,

Can you ask the Delaware reps why service men/women working at Dover AFB are not receiving their pay? Wasn't all military spending supposed to continue in this "shutdown"? I thought Gohmert from Texas was able to secure military pay.

kavips
Thu, Oct 3, 2013 12:09pm
Earl: Trying to make Republicans look good for removing the barriers which their own actions created is like trying to make Republicans still look good, over a similar incident they tried to escalate into a national crises... Benghazi...

if you don't want to look worse, you should drop it. Already your party is being mocked at being outraged that closing the government down would actually shut down the things in government you liked...

Duh...

kavips
Thu, Oct 3, 2013 12:12pm
I was particularly humored at Rick Jensen talking up the benefits of the shut-down for the American economy, and then.... get a caller from Dover who said... "I'm just calling to tell you the Commissary at the Dover base here is closed.."

Rick shouts.."What? How can that be...."

Priceless... :)

kavips
Thu, Oct 3, 2013 12:16pm
And according to the comments under the music which Mr. Pizza offered ... I remind him of his mother... I'm honored.


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