Will business leaders in different parts of the country work to defeat Tea Partiers?
Almost since the very start of the Tea Party movement, Republican officeholders have had to look over their right shoulders for primary challengers. Defy the Tea Party's ideology, and you risked defeat.
In practical terms, that has a lot to do with why many Republican members of the U.S. House of Representatives won't risk breaking ranks to end the partial U.S. government shutdown or to raise the debt ceiling without winning corresponding concessions on President Obama's health-care overhaul.
But, wait a minute! In some Congressional districts, business interests - the "old" Main Street establishment Republicans - have had enough. They will bankroll Republican primary challengers.
Can it work? I suspect in a place like President Gerald Ford's old Congressional district, sure, the G.O.P. establishment types have a good shot. It may be a different story in parts of the Sunbelt.
After all, Tea-Party-backed incumbents could charge rich, "elite" business interests with trying to "buy" the election. But, it might be more difficult to make that stick if the business folks in question are from Main Street in Grand Rapids rather than from Wall Street.
Still, if oldline G.O.P. Main Street U.S.A. business interests start mobilizing, it could further complicate the political calculations for certain Republican members of Congress, where they'd have to look for primary challengers over BOTH shoulders.
Meanwhile, the first cracks may be appearing in Tea Party solidarity: Three House legislators with ties to the Tea Party movement say they'd support a U.S. spending bill that doesn't necessarily include the Affordable Care Act. However, this trio -- Representatives Blake Farenthold (R-TX); Doug Lamborn (R-CO); and Dennis Ross (R-FL) -- would try to extract concessions in other areas: Major revisions to the U.S. tax law; significant changes to Medicare and Social Security; etc. So, that still be be a non-starter for the administration.
Posted at 8:02am on October 7, 2013 by Allan Loudell
OK, it's not an issue in Delaware (and other single rep states) but the members of the tea caucus in Congress come from districts redistricted by right-wing Republican state legislatures into ultra-red, ultra-safe, strong tea districts.
Add to that the so-called moderate Republicans afraid of a tea party primary challenge. That did happen in Delaware.
And what is the likelihood that Main Street businesses will out-spend (and out-organize) the Koch Brothers and other ultra-rich Tea Party backers?
All this time, we can count on right-wing talk show hosts like Rush, Jensen, etc., to keep the crazies stirred up.
It used to be the politicians' kryptonite was being called "soft on communism." Now it's being called a RINO.
The only way out of this mess is to get rid of primaries.
Mon, Oct 7, 2013 8:45am
Here is the real reason. In business, if you back a loser, it costs you money. One's biggest fear is not on the cost line, but that one's revenue stream will veer to another venue.
And Republicans are now..... LOSERS!
.. and it is not just me saying so....
Recent polling shows that still, despite all of this, 21% still blame the President. That is about in line with other polling showing about 17% are Cheney-ists, die-hards like Pizza, who support Republicans based on antiquated emotions, completely oblivious to all facts.
They also show that 20% now blame the Republicans... One percent different from those who blame the President.
Now here is where it gets interesting... Only 6% blame Congressional Democrats... Just 6%. 41% put the blame on both parties equally, and 20% solely blamed Congressional Republicans...
Now here is the kicker... the poll was done in Utah, a state that only gave Obama 20%. 56% disapproved of Mike Lee, and only 37% approved of his shutting down government.
These disapprovals on Mike Lee, who, in his own extremely red state is behind the eight ball for his role in shutting down the government, will send jitters to every Republican whose home district is not as well-endowed in Red voters as is Mike Lee's super-Republican district...
The Tea Party is not as strong as the Tea Partiers thought. I particularly like the excuse made by the Republican chief... it sounded exactly like Rick Jensen all last week.....
"State GOP Chairman James Evans said Utahns just don't understand. He said that because of the way the shutdown is being covered by the media, Utahns don't understand that Democrats are at fault for not accepting a budget bill that didn't include funding for the healthcare law."
Denial. Denial. Denial. Utahns do understand who is at fault. Republicans are... And lol... since when is the media in Utah.... liberal?
Republicans are wrong. Absolutely wrong. And are dying right before our eyes. Not only that, but they are taking the Conservative cause to the bottom of the ocean with them...
Obama may be doing what no other president has ever accomplished, but Franklin Roosevelt. Kill the curse of Conservatism not just for years, but decades. No sane person alive today (that leaves the option still open for Mr. Pizza), will ever vote for a Conservative in his/her lifetimes. All they have to be reminded of is this episode!
Mike from Delaware
Mon, Oct 7, 2013 8:45am
The other scenario that might happen would be for those Old Main Street G.O.P. types to say enough is enough and leave the G.O.P and start their own party, maybe call it "Classic G.O.P." The original Republican Party minus the TEA crap.
The other thing that might happen and would probably get faster results would be for those Old Main Street G.O.P. folks to become Democrats. The TEA folks see Obama as an extremist, but actually he's more towards the middle leaning left in his policies [To be frank, I don't think Obama gives a rip about gay rights, he had avoided it entirely in his first term, but after Biden started the snowball rolling in the 2012 campaign, Obama realized that group is a major financial contributor and voter for the DEM party, so he went along to get along].
Obama obviously hasn't made the far-left folks happy with his keeping Guantanamo open and he didn't pull the troops out as quickly as they wanted [we're still in Afghanistan, and he's a bit of a hawk [ready to start a new war in Syria], etc. He's also tried to work with the G.O.P. [not something a hard-line leftist would do]. Obama used a G.O.P. health-care plan [now known as Obamacare, but really should be called Nixoncare as it originally came from Tricky Dick's administration] rather than pushing for a Single-Payer System the hardline left wanted. So the old-school G.O.P. could move to the Democratic Party, at least for a time, as it might be that today's DEMS represent the business interests better than today's G.O.P./TEA.
My point is, IF the Old Main Street Republican moves their financial support AND their votes away from the TEA/G.O.P., that probably would cause a serious shake-up within the G.O.P. It would either become totally a TEA party or the leadership would kick out the TEA folks to keep those real G.O.P. folks. In any case that would cripple the TEA movement and maybe bring some sanity back to Washington D.C.
Mike. I made the point elsewhere that if Boehner cut his delegates to vote for their constituents, sort of just said vote as you will, that Congress would suddenly become very productive since the House would have a bipartisan majority to pass centrist legislation....
The Tea Party would be ineffective. Boehner would become a national hero and could actually run for President in 2016 giving Christie a run for his money. Right now, one would see no chance, with his crying and all, but Republicans need Ohio, and Boehner, if seen as the hero who saved the Republican Party, could carry that state over Clinton if she runs, and beat everyone else solidly if she doesn't.
But he needs to cut them loose for the rest of the session. For if he does, Republicans get judged from this point onward. All the old baggage can be dumped on the Tea Party, and voters will agree. Plus with timely legislation taking care of America's problems, people in 12 months will forget all this, because the economy will be roaring again.
Cruz will rant, but like House Democrats giving speeches at 10 p.m., no one will be listening.
It's like someone dropped the anchor and Boehner's foot was caught in the chain. He is one breath away from untangling himself from the rapidly sinking weight, and rising to the surface.... The anchor is gone. He needs to save himself.
Mon, Oct 7, 2013 10:08am
Interesting how Boehner is now the latest "Republican darling" of the Progressive Left. If the R's want to have any power, they need to boot (not embrace) people like Boehner and Christie. How long till Christie becomes the next Arlen Specter? In a state like New Jersey, I would predict sooner than many think.
I guess we will all have to wait till the 2014/2016 results to see if I'm right or wrong about the strength of the Tea Party and Republicans (everywhere but Delawhere?)
Mon, Oct 7, 2013 10:13am
"The other thing that might happen and would probably get faster results would be for those Old Main Street G.O.P. folks to become Democrats."~Mike
Exactly...just like Specter and pretty soon Christie.
Mon, Oct 7, 2013 10:16am
Mike, the traditional Delaware Republicans have already moved to the Democrats here in our state. Remember, Delaware was a Southern state. Segregated schools and Jim Crow laws. The Delaware G.O.P. were the liberals while the Democrats were the party of segregation. It was the old Mr. P.S. DuPont who helped fund Black schools and provided textbooks.
The number of Republicans who switched parties circa 2008 was enough so that Mike Castle and other moderate candidates faced certain primary defeats in 2010. Delaware Democrats now cover the extreme left and the middle ground in our state. No political room really exists for the G.O.P. except for the extreme Right. What a plight!
Mon, Oct 7, 2013 4:05pm
Not that many people switched parties in 2008. I remember hearing less than 2000. A paltry amount that does not make a difference. And that is only for the primary. In the General Election they are free to vote for Republicans if they want.
But due to the quality or lack of it thereof, in 2012 they preferred Democrats who are correct on every issue over Republicans who are wrong on every issue...
Until you completely separate the TEA Party from the Republican Party, you will lose. Because the all the other Republicans will vote Democratic, because they can't stomach anything the Tea Party does or says....
The Tea Party is destroying Conservatism for decades to come... And that is so awesome.... Love the Tea Party!
Mike from Delaware
Mon, Oct 7, 2013 6:11pm
JimH: If the Delaware G.O.P. remains in the ultra-right-wing camp, Delaware will continue to be controlled by the DEMs. Why can't they be the moderate-leaning right party? Stand for solid fiscal stuff, job creation, low taxes, yet support the social safety net for folks? Stay out of folks' bedrooms, etc.; leave those thorny issues for our churches, synagogues, and mosques. All the Del. G.O.P. needs to do is kick out the TEA folks; let them start their own party.
Mon, Oct 7, 2013 7:37pm
Mike. it is easy to say "you should do this"; it is sometime a lot harder to do so.
The ideal situation for Delaware would be for Sussex County Republicans to follow their leader over to the IPOD movement they have taken over. Some old independents like Liz Allen are up in arms over that. The New Independent Party, could change its name to the New Independent Conservative Party and run statewide. In Sussex they would simply take the place of Republicans (by having the majority) and the Republicans up north would no longer have to deal with them in caucus.
Then, if you arranged the political parties from left to right they would range in this order: Democrats, Republicans, New Independent Conservatives. Guess who is in the middle.
The problem with Earl, is that he leans towards the new Conservative Independents. So having a Republican majority would be senseless to him, because only liberal (from his perspective) legislation could get passed.
The Republicans in this arrangement appear to be the wise owls of the bunch. Siding with the Democrats when the Independents get too extreme. Siding with the Independents when the Democrats get too extreme, they can begin to win back some of their respect lost to the Conservative revolution.
The Independents will then be able to posture and vote how they wish; they will no longer have to worry about damaging the greater party.
In such a scenario, everybody is extremely happy.
The only problem is no one has pushed this... But it appears that good government (not liberal, not middle, not conservative) would return in this three party system. Good government defined as one of compromise, not combativeness.
Mon, Oct 7, 2013 8:43pm
The Democrats AND the GOP establishment are D.O.A. in 2014!
Mike from Delaware
Mon, Oct 7, 2013 10:41pm
Kavips: what you said, makes sense. That would seem to be a workable solution, not just for Delaware, nationwide.
Mon, Oct 7, 2013 11:28pm
Time for a new party. I think it should be called the Pizza party. Everyone loves Pizza.
Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:16am
I like the Pizza Party name... Everybody gets a slice, right?
"...if you arranged the political parties from left to right they would range in this order: Democrats, Republicans, New Independent Conservatives. Guess who is in the middle."
You included the group you view as further to the right but missed the Progressive/Social Democrats on the Left...the numbers of Moderate Democrats have decreased faster than the Moderate Republicans...the "blue dog" and "Reagan" Democrats have mostly been wiped out of existence...so we are then left only with hardline Progressive Democrats.
In Delaware (as JimH said earlier) both the Middle and the Left political positions have been filled by Democrats...leaving no room for Republicans in the upper county of Delaware.
As I have said multiple times on this blog...IMHO, in states as blue as Delaware or New Jersey only a Christie-type Republican will garner enough votes to win. But, even a Christie-type Republican will probably lose in this state.
However, I believe that a national election could be won by a Tea Party-type candidate like Rand Paul or any number of these New Republicans...the old guard G.O.P. should be retired.
Mike from Delaware
Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:32pm
So maybe to use both Kavips and EarlGrey's observations maybe the political party's should be Democratic/Progressive, Moderate American, Republican/TEA. That way moderates from both DEM and GOP have a party where their voices will count for something. This I believe would work both in Delaware and nationwide.
Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:30pm
Hey Kavips: The TEA party is the only thing conservative out there right now. The GOP establishment has been in bed with the left for years. Only the TEA party represents "we the people".
Mike: You may be on to something, and I also like Earl's idea of a pizza party.
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