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Should state lawmakers mandate Holocaust studies?

I'm not aware of ANY discussion with regard to this here in Delaware, but at least five states currently mandate education about the Holocaust, and Pennsylvania lawmakers are considering legislation that would prod - but not mandate - public schools to hold classes about the mass slaughter of human beings in Nazi Germany.

This prompts the question as to whether schools should offer coursework on this subject specifically... or whether it should just be incorporated into required 20th-century history courses.

Clearly, many young people know precious little about 20th century history, including Vietnam.

(What goes unmentioned is whether the current testing mania centered on English, math, and science undercuts education in history, geography, and civics.)

See the following article from The PITTSBURGH POST-GAZETTE. If you read the piece below, you can see how some would tie teaching about historical intolerance with the chronic bullying we see today.


http://www.post-gazette.com/news/state/2013/11/12/Politicians-experts-advocate-for-Holocaust-studies/stories/201311120101


Listen to this interview with one of the greatest proponents of Holocaust studies in Pennsylvania...


Audio Here

Posted at 7:39am on November 12, 2013 by Allan Loudell

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Comments on this post:

Mike from Delaware
Tue, Nov 12, 2013 8:36am
What this tells me is that our schools are doing a lousy job teaching History. Maybe they should call it Trivia, everyone loves trivia while many hate history, yet isn't trivia just cool history? Sorry I digress.

What needs to happen is to stop Black History Month and MLK History Month and incorporate all that, plus the Holocaust, into the regular American History course. If I were black, I'd be offended that we get placated by being outside the history book course. What ever part blacks played in history pro and con, just as it is for whites, should be in our history books; those folks are part of American History too. Inclusive history for all Americans. All of us played a part so their part of the story must be included in the history course. THAT's the solution.

EarlGrey
Tue, Nov 12, 2013 9:38am
As the saying goes..."Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it"

If we wish to avoid another Holocaust then yes it should be part of the curriculum...as should the history of the MILLIONS who died under Communism.

kavips
Tue, Nov 12, 2013 5:05pm
Until this year, I could never understand how a society could turn on its own people and let the Holocaust happen at the urging of one man... But if the Tea Party received its proper blame, it is due for destroying the middle-class, for wreaking the economy, for shutting down the government over reasons they could decide among themselves, for stalling Americans' chances to get cheap affordable health care. Considering the rabid hatred that all America currently feels towards this very teeny tiny minority group, intent on destroying America right now, I could actually now understand how the people could let it happen.

And it is sad. The anger I mentioned is because our legislature is too conservative; it does not even closely represent America. The majority is beholden to a tiny fringe of what most Americans now consider psychotic misfits.

It is not that Germans felt it was morally right what Hitler was doing; it is that everyone else in Germany believed it was best for their country, just as if everyone today said, anyone active in the Tea Party no longer deserves the protections of being an American citizen; they are traitors... no one, just like the Germans, no one, not one single person, would offer to stand in the way. The Tea Party is hated that much. I've never seen any American group so despised in my life. Most Americans would be overjoyed if they simply disappeared. That is so sad because like the German Jews, if you were to strip away their label and not pay attention to it, they are good people..

So, as to answering the question, the memory of the Holocaust is the only thing that stops us from exterminating the traitors in the Tea Party as we speak.

The damage done to America by the Tea Party is real; and still being felt. It will be felt for years to come. The damage blamed on the Jews was completely made up. In short, we need the Holocaust being taught, so as to always have someone strong enough to stand up and say... "No, just as in Germany...that is not right!" Once you stop teaching it,... in the vacuum that results, it becomes right because for one: it just makes such great sense. ...

So. I never understood till now, how Germany could just let it happen... Fortunately for all, and especially the Tea Party... we still teach the Holocaust.

mrpizza
Tue, Nov 12, 2013 8:08pm
Hey, what about the mass slaughter of unborn Americans in hospitals and abortion mills? Hell, Planned Parenthood sends reps around to the schools to recruit new business and encourage teens to have sex so they can create even more business. So as far as I'm concerned, the schools have no moral authority to teach about the holocaust when they're participating in one themselves.

Hey Kavips, stop blaming the TEA party. They lost the election last year, remember? The blame belongs exclusively to the dictator Hugo-Fidel Obama.

kavips
Tue, Nov 12, 2013 11:16pm
Pizza, you can yell all you want to, but until the Tea Party and their bed buddies, the Republicans start allowing votes to go on the House floor, they are still obstructionists....

Obstructionists deserve only one thing... immense ridicule.. so I'm just giving them what they deserve....


EarlGrey
Tue, Nov 12, 2013 11:43pm
Kavips: Your attempts to blame Obama's failures on the Tea Party is like Nero blaming his fire on the Christians...or Hitler blaming the Jews for everything that went wrong in Germany. Are you part of the propaganda arm of the Left attempting to de-humanize the Tea Party and make them the scapegoat for BHO's failures? How sad.

In addition to teaching students how the Holocaust happened (and how to avoid it ever happening again) we should also add the true stories of our Founders and their brilliant guidebook called the Constitution.

A great book/resource for teaching students about the Holocaust is the graphic novel MAUS.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maus

EarlGrey
Tue, Nov 12, 2013 11:46pm
btw kavips, how does this hate speech you spew match up with the Christianity you proclaim?

mrpizza
Wed, Nov 13, 2013 2:29am
Thank GOD for obstructionism! Were it not for the Republican "obstructionists", Christians and conservatives would already be performing hard labor in the gulags.

Mike from Delaware
Wed, Nov 13, 2013 8:19am
Subject change.

CBS News reports: "Former President Bill Clinton believes that President Obama should keep his promise that those who liked their health insurance coverage before the Affordable Care Act became law could keep that coverage -- even if it means changing the law, he said in a recent interview."

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57611993/bill-clinton-says-obama-should-honor-health-care-promise/

EarlGrey
Wed, Nov 13, 2013 8:22am
Yep, Bill sure did...now we definitely know Hillary's campaign has started and 0bama is yesterday's news with 3 years left in office.

Mike from Delaware
Wed, Nov 13, 2013 10:15am
The bigger question is, will Obama and the gang, follow Bubba's advice and fix this quickly so folks can get to keep their existing policies and thus remove one of the big points the G.O../TEA folks will surely use in their ads for 2014 and 2016 againstthe DEMS and Hillary if she's their candidate? It will be one time she'll not be able to say, what difference does it make, but it does make a difference. Obama has hit folks where they live, in their wallets.

Mike from Delaware
Wed, Nov 13, 2013 1:16pm
Hillary may have some competition for the 2016 nomination by Mass Senator Elizabeth Warren.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/democrats-quietly-throwing-presidential-support-behind-elizabeth-warren-report-article-1.1513365


http://money.cnn.com/2013/11/12/news/economy/elizabeth-warren/

kavips
Thu, Nov 14, 2013 12:55am
Elizabeth is not running.

Clinton's idea may backfire. He is not involved with the details, and those details might make his utterances look silly in 3 years. That would taint her. Just as some Democrats came out hard against the Bush Medicare Drug bill
that tripled the deficit, but 3 years later, the bugs were gone, and none of them could get on the national stage as Presidential contenders...

I'm thinking Bill jumped the shark.

And Earl... there is a huge difference between the Jews and Hitler and the Tea Party and the rest of America. The Jews did not shut-down the government for 3 weeks. The Tea Party did. The Jews did not default on our national debt; the Tea Party did. The Jews did not try to put women back in the 16th Century. The Tea Party did. The Jews were not anti-black. The Tea party is.

So whereas the Jews were completely innocent, the Tea Party is not. Allowing the Tea Party to be treated kindly, would be the equivalent of allowing Tarleton to go scot free off to Ohio and build his empire there....

In America, if you commit a crime, you are accountable. Tea Party members are accountable for all the harm they've done to America. Deny it all you want. No one else is.

You can't prove it otherwise. Because the Tea Party is responsible for shutting down the government.... Absolutely, unequivocally, and without question....

And now to address how telling the truth about the Tea Party, and not hiding it under a bushel as you certainly would wish your party's sins could be hidden.....

Did Jesus tell the Pharisees they were wrong? Did he call them hypocrites to their faces? Did he expose their evil to all the world, ... for centuries to come?

That is how I rectify calling out the Tea Party, (which if you have ever read the four Gospels, the Tea Party, like the Pharisees, serves Satan, not God,) .... with my Christian beliefs... :)


EarlGrey
Thu, Nov 14, 2013 9:48am
kavips: You really should get out of your Liberal/Progressive bubble some time...most of the country has completely forgotten about the "horrible" gov't shutdown and are now focused on the catastrophe of ObamaCare.

The Tea Party is NOT racist...no matter how many times the lie is told. Many in our current administration however do seem to be bigoted racists...why can't they treat all people equal regardless of skin pigmentation?

Your desire to exterminate people because they dared to attempt de-funding ACA is repulsive...I'm sure several million Americans now wish Cruz had succeeding in de-funding ObamaCare.


EarlGrey
Thu, Nov 14, 2013 10:02am
I think the old guard G.o.P.ers are a closer comparable to the Pharisees. These politicians (like the Pharisees) think they know more than anyone else and let everyone know it...they are also very proud and very full of themselves. That sounds like all the Old Timers in the Republican party...they have been in office so long that they think the world was created to revolve around them...vote em' out in 2016.

One of the modern-day Pharisees in John McCain...that hypocrite now wants to de-fund ACA (after demonizing Cruz and Lee just a month ago). Vote out the Pharisees in the G.O.P.

kavips
Thu, Nov 14, 2013 6:35pm
Good luck with your attempt at a Republican revolution. I guess you haven't see the polling numbers on how the Tea Party is regarded?

http://www.people-press.org/2013/10/16/tea-partys-image-turns-more-negative/

The idea that America thinks Ted Cruz is a hero for shutting down the Government, could only come from someone who sees themselves as a cheerleader, despite the actual score of the game.....

America simply isn't with you. And no matter how you spin it... it still is spin. America hates the TEA party. And is neutral on Obamacare...

Here is the polling.. a combination of all 5 it tends to round out the differences between them...

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/obama_and_democrats_health_care_plan-1130.html

Although there can be excitement over the recent swing of opinion, as the polling shows, despite this and I'm putting it in quotes since it is what you said... "the epic fail of the ACA", we are simply coming off a high approval swing and returning to historical levels where opinion has been all the time...

Not really earth shattering at all. And this is the "best" republicans can do? Despite shutting down the government for THREE WEEKS?

And don't believe America ever forgets those who hurt them. Al Aqeda, Tea Party, Ted Cruz. The government shutdown simply has to be mentioned to rip off the scabs of bad memories. That is totally different then mentioning Benghazi... and having America go "huh?"....

One can see that despite the pouting by Tea Partiers... no one else cares.

EarlGrey
Thu, Nov 14, 2013 10:12pm
kavips: Your Tea Party poll was from October...a lot has changed since then, comrade.

No one cares about the government shutdown (who did it actually affect in daily life?)... and those few who DO care now will have completely forgotten by the 2014 elections.

However, we will all be very focused on health-care in 2014.

Mike from Delaware
Fri, Nov 15, 2013 8:52am
Kavips: I suspect EarlGrey is correct. Many hard-working Americans are going to get the shaft financially with Obamacare. It is one thing to help folks get needed medical care; it's something else to be paying so college girls like Sandra Fluke can go party it up on campus, with the free birth-control pills and free abortions. I've paid to provide for her, yet a number of the meds I take my insurance plan will no longer cover in 2014, so now I've got to go and get my doctors to find alternatives that will be covered and if they can't, guess what, I get to pay full price for my meds, that sure seems fair and reasonable to me.

So Obama has delayed folks losing their existing coverage and being forced into Obamacare for a year. Just after the 2014 elections, interesting timing, wouldn't you say?

Yep, the DEMS in Congress have probably been burning the administration's ear off about how the G.O.P./TEA folks will take over Congress in next year's elections, because of this train wreck, a.k.a. Obamacare.

Yep. Romney was correct, Romneycare works well in Mass, because it was designed for that state. Obama would have been smarter to have had the states do their own plans.

Some would have probably done a Romneycare-type plan; others would have done maybe even a Single Payer system, and yes, others would do nothing, but at least the people of those states get a real voice in the plan rather than "Mein Fuhrer" Obama and his SS henchmen lying about the plan to get it passed and THEN we find out the real deal when it's too late to do anything about it. I truly hate to have to say this, but elRusbho was correct; I realize a broken clock is correct twice a day, but he was correct the little guy was going to get screwed with Obamacare.

Yea, the government shutdown was a very stupid thing for the TEA/G.O.P. folks and IF none of this crap had happened with Obamacare, probably would have helped the DEMS in 2014 and 2016. BUT lies have a way of surfacing, and when they do, people don't forget being lied to, especially if they get royally screwed because of that lie.

So yes Obama and his band of village idiots may have handed the G.O.P./TEA folks a serious victory in 2014 and possibly 2016, assuming the G.O.P./TEA folks don't get over-confident and then act in a stupidly arrogant manner [the G.O.P/TEA party's achilles heel].

So it would appear that Obama's administration is going down in flames. He had a good idea, but didn't have the ability or have the people smart enough to make it work for ALL Americans, and thus the train-wreck we're witnessing. Smooth talk is no substitute for real knowledge and ability.



kavips
Tue, Nov 19, 2013 8:46am
Actually Mike... Perhaps it depends on perspective.. Do you watch a lot of news? Because the news media are pushing Obamacare ad nauseum. No one on the street seems to care, in fact, I'm getting pushback that they are tuning out; just like they do with political ads once critical mass is reached...

Only those addicted to the four TV networks and blogs like Red State and Breitbart, can get coverage on Obamacare. Well, the Huff Post does too, since it sees itself as the opposite of those two.

But the insurance exchange at most, only affects 17% of Americans. 3% sort of disappear and 80% have coverage with their employer...

BUT, those with employer coverage should look at this year's plan and last year's plan and notice these untrumpeted differences... 1) The lifetime caps have gone, for one thing. 2) And they bring their children on the plan when they are in college. 3) And they never have to worry about preconditions in their employers' plan, for those aren't allowed any more. Also, 4) Their max out-of-pocket has come down to $6000, so we aren't exposed to as much risk"

All because of the Affordable Care Act.

With all this good, and the horrible shutdown that Ted Cruz caused in Congress, the American people are daily losing any interest in anything remotely hinting of Conservatism...

That is a good thing.

kavips
Tue, Nov 19, 2013 8:50am
Venn diagram showing White House's width=

kavips
Tue, Nov 19, 2013 8:52am
The President has the people's best interest at heart. The Republicans have the crooked insurance executives' best interests at heart...


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