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Delaware's two Democratic Party Senators - Chris Coons and Tom Carper - are among the honorary co-chairs for a Democratic centrist group known as Third Way, and progressive Dems are blasting Third Way for a recent column in The WALL STREET JOURNAL. That Op-Ed denounced Massachusetts Senator Elizabeth Warren's drive to expand Social Security benefits for all seniors. The Op-Ed described that as "exhibit A of this populist political and economic fantasy." Progressives see Third Way as a trojan horse for Wall Street.

It seems as though Senator Coons is trying to have his cake and eat it too when he says he doesn't necessarily agree with all of Third Way's specific proposals, but says he's honored to serve as an honorary co-chair to an organization which offers a critical voice within the Democratic Party's big tent, as Coons described it.

Progressive Dems believe Senator Carper is a lost cause, but are becoming increasingly disgruntled with Senator Coons as well. After all, realistically, with the Delaware Republican Party on life support for statewide races, what does Coons have to fear? Why won't he move ideologically closer to Senator Warren? Does he really fear alienating Delaware's financial establishment?

Wilmington Police investigators say a Philadelphia man claiming to have been shot in the area around the Chase Center near the Wilmington Riverfront concocted the story. After reviewing surveillance footage and interviewing witnesses, police say the shooting did not occur where the victim said it did.

Vice President Biden this week asserted some of his Irish ancestors were illegal immigrants too, as the Veep made the case for immigration reform. Temple law prof (and onetime Republican Senate candidate) Jan Ting shot back in a NEWS-JOURNAL Op-Ed that the Vice President was trying to confer respectability on today's illegal immigrants. Jan Ting, a resident of Alapocas, has since become a Dem, but has not modified his hardline stance on immigration.

From America's Health Rankings, an annual state-by-state assessment of the country's health by the United Health Foundation, with consideration given to such factors as smoking, obesity, air pollution, high school graduation rates, infant mortality & crime rates. Hawaii is ranked #1, the nation's healthiest state; Mississippi (what a shock!) ranks lowest, # 50. Delaware comes in at # 31, just behind Pennsylvania and Illinois.

Canada Post will phase out door-to-door delivery of regular mail to urban residents in favor of "community mailboxes", and hike the first-class postal rate from 63 cents to 85 cents for a pack of stamps; a full dollar for an individual postage stamp. No way will the U.S. Postal Service follow Canada Post's lead anytime soon. The U.S. Congress prevents the United States Postal Service from implementing any dramatic changes without Congressional approval. For example, Congress thwarted USPS plans to save $ by ending Saturday postal deliveries.

A hazing death rocks Baruch College in Manhattan: An initiation rite at Pi Delta Psi fraternity, where a blindfolded 19-year-old Chun Hsien Deng was sacked at least once too many in a frozen yard in the Poconos, and then Deng's frat brothers failed to call 9-1-1 immediately, only to belatedly transport him to the nearest medical center. Frats and high school/college football should go in the same direction: Extinction.

No more threatened U.S. government shutdowns for a while, as the U.S. Congress approves the budget deal. Talk about an odd couple: Senator Patty Murray (D-WA) and Representative Paul Ryan (R-WS). And in a stunning shift, House Republican leaders voiced support for the deal, deriding Tea Party and conservative think-tank dissenters, while Senate Republican leaders (up for re-election next year, fearing primary challengers further right) publicly resisted the deal, knowing full well the plan would sail through anyway with overwhelming Democratic support combined with some Republican senators with "safe seats."

The Associated Press reports Robert Levinson, an American abducted in Iran nearly seven years ago, was working for the Central Intelligence Agency on an off-the-books intelligence mission when he disappeared. That follows years of denials from not only the intelligence community, but The White House and The State Department. The C.I.A. paid the Levinson family two-and-a-half Million dollars to pre-empt a lawsuit which would have exposed this deceit.

From The NEW YORK TIMES: "A presidential advisory committee charged with examining the operations of the National Security Agency has concluded that a program to collect data on every phone call made in the United States should continue, though under broad new restraints that would be intended to increase privacy protections, according to officials with knowledge of the report's contents..."

North Korean intrigue: North Korea's official news agency said that North Korea had executed Jang Song-thaek, the uncle and presumed mentor to Pyongyang's leader, Kim Jong-un, allegedly for plotting a military coup. Assailing him as a "traitor" & "worse than a dog", the Korean Central News Agency said the 67-year-old Jang was put to death, immediately after his conviction for treason. South Korean officials suggest Kim is presiding over a "reign of terror" to consolidate his power.

Talk about a different kind of intrigue: The so-called "birthers" are going nuts. The only fatality in the crash of a Cessna plane off Hawaii was Loretta Fuddy, the Hawaii public health director who had verified the authenticity of Mr. Obama's birth certificate. Conspiracy theorists went on social media to suggest the President (or someone connected) played some role in Fuddy's death. The 65-year-old Fuddy was one of nine people aboard that Cessna; the eight others, including the pilot, survived. Makani Kai Air President Richard Schurman blamed the crash on "catastrophic engine failure"; the National Transportation Safety Board is obviously still investigating.

Posted at 8:20am on December 13, 2013 by Allan Loudell

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Fri, Dec 13, 2013 8:40am
Delaware's two Democratic Party Senators - Chris Coons and Tom Carper - are among the honorary co-chairs for a Democratic centrist group known as Third Way, and progressive Dems are blasting Third Way for a recent column in The WALL STREET JOURNAL. That Op-Ed denounced Massachusetts Senator Elizabeth Warren's drive to expand Social Security benefits for all seniors. The Op-Ed described that as "exhibit A of this populist political and economic fantasy." Progressives see Third Way as a trojan horse for Wall Street."~Allan Loudell

So it's "DINO-hunting" time for the Progressives? Aren't they the same group telling Republicans they should pick a "centrist/moderate" like Chris Christie if they ever want to win again?

"The first salvo in the Democratic war may have been a December 2nd Op-Ed in The Wall Street Journal by two leaders of the centrist think tank Third Way, Jon Cowan and Jim Kessler, who urged Democrats not to follow the examples of Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-MA) and New York City mayor-elect Bill de Blasio, both of whom ran as anti-Wall Street economic populists. Cowan and Kessler called that strategy “disastrous for Democrats” beyond liberal bastions and a “fantasy-based blue-state populism.”

Fri, Dec 13, 2013 10:00am
It's about time the USPS switched to curb-side mail box clusters for ALL deliveries in the U.S., too. Newer housing developments already have them in the U.S., and most Canadians already have them, too. They work. They work well. They are cost-effective and speed-up mail delivery.

Now let's see if Pizza, who usually rails against any thing that COSTS the government money, shifts gears here and wants to keep the post office spending more money.

Earl: No, it's establishment and corporate Republicans who want electable moderates. It's their Republican Party. Tea Baggers (previously known as Birchers, Dixiecrats, or Know-Nothings) have no business in the Republican Party, which should be reserved for a "better class" of people. Tea Baggers should start their own party and see if they can get anybody elected on their own. Meantime, the Republican establishment needs to de-fang the Tea Wackos and Crazies by doing away with primaries.

Fri, Dec 13, 2013 10:13am
I see Ted Cruz has come out with a coloring book. He originally planned to do a comic book but that was too difficult for too many Tea Baggers. Besides, Tea Baggers like telling people where lines are and where they may color.

Mike from Delaware
Fri, Dec 13, 2013 10:39am
Congress should allow the USPS to stop Saturday deliveries; that would save money in salaries, running the mail trucks, gasoline, etc. [Sorry, Mrpizza, I realize that would take some salary out of your pocket, probably OT]. Do we really need to get junk-mail on Saturdays???

Glad to hear our two DEM Senators want to be part of the moderate branch of their party [Third Way]. I think what should happen is to have 4 parties: DEMS, Progressives, G.O.P., and TEA. Then, each group would see where the public falls in agreement with, probably the DEMS and the G.O.P. I believe the two extremes would be hard-pressed to carry a majority, but they'd have a voice in the discussions without having the power to cause havoc that seems to be a "normal" part of government these days, because of both extremes.

Elizabeth Warren wants to give Social Security to all Seniors; that would change the program into an entitlement like Welfare vs. being an insurance policy for those who worked and paid into the system. So would that mean illegal seniors could start collecting Social Security? The only other seniors left who don't get Social Security are those who've not worked. So is she saying those who've been on Welfare their entire lives sponging off the rest of us as 'takers', should start collecting Social Security too? That would make Social Security run out of money far faster than it would now. Aren't the people who fall below the poverty line on Welfare, so why move them to Social Security?

I see both Paul Ryan and John Boehner learned something this past summer. If you don't control both houses of Congress and the White House, you have to compromise in order to get anything done. They apparently found a way to work with the DEMS and get a budget passed in the House without shutting down the government. The extremists in their party of course are foaming at the mouth over this "sell-out" to the DEMS. Yea, that's what we needed, a second government shutdown.

Fri, Dec 13, 2013 11:26am
bill: You are right about the establishment/corporate Republicans wanting Moderate Republicans...but both Democrats & Progressives like kavips claim on this blog that only a Moderate like Christie can defeat Hillary or Warren in a national election.

In a state like Delaware...the reality is "the best" Republicans could hope for would be a Christie (or Castle)..but in a state like Texas the citizens can choose someone like Cruz, Perry or Louie Gohmert to represent their state.
The representatives called extremists are doing the job they were voted to do...which is to voice the opinion of their constituents. I'm sure both Chris Coons and Carper are considered extremists by Texans but in Blue Delaware they are properly representing the majority of the state (that isn't Progressive).

We will see in 2016 if our country wants another Progressive or if it's time for change.

Fri, Dec 13, 2013 12:36pm
Earl: It may be true that a moderate (in either party) stands a better chance in a general election. That doesn't mean progressives want Republicans to nominate one. Much better to run against somebody like Sarah Palin.

MikeFromDelaware: What seniors (legal ones, that is) don't get Social Security now? The only way not to get Social Security is never to have worked or had taxable income, or never to have been married to somebody who did. Can't be many like that.

Elizabeth Warren. Another candidate who speaks well, says something a portion of the electorate wants to hear, and has almost no experience actually doing anything. Just like you know who!

Mike from Delaware
Fri, Dec 13, 2013 1:56pm
Billsmith: I agree and why I was asking the question, but your point is well taken. She must represent a very progressive district and is saying stuff they'd want to hear [kind of like Carper and Coons do here in Delaware]. Maybe the DEMS are hoping they can have lightning strike twice, once in 2008 and again in 2016. At least Hillary, like her or hate her, has much experience, unlike Ms. Warren and you know who, his first name is Barry and I don't mean Goldwater - heh heh.

Fri, Dec 13, 2013 3:08pm
MikeFromDelaware: Liz got to the Senate just last year, first elected office. Never held a management position. Now they are talking about her as presidential material? People hear a Kennedy, a Reagan, a Clinton or an Obama make a stem-winding speech and want him to run the country. Everybody seems to forget that the presidency is a management job - that's why they call it the "chief executive." Maybe they should find somebody who has demonstrated ability to actually run something. Preachers get hired for their speaking ability; presidents should not be.

Given Liz, Hillary and all the others now being talked about - already - for three years from now, I'd go for Christie. I don't agree with him much. I don't like how he killed the new train tunnel under the Hudson. But he has shown he can run things, even under difficult circumstances, not just make pretty speeches. Besides, he's got a sense of humor and doesn't take himself too seriously (as he showed on Letterman) and I give him points for that, too.

Much as some tea baggers like to call Obama a "dictator," it seems a dictator is what they want - only one who will dictate their way.

Another advantage to the parliamentary system: Prime ministers aren't chosen for their public speaking ability. What this country needs is somebody behind the curtain to run things (as in "pay no attention to the man behind the curtain").

Mike from Delaware
Fri, Dec 13, 2013 3:23pm

Yes, I too like Christie for many of the reasons you mentioned. You know what you're getting, he doesn't mince words, which for a politician is almost unheard of.

Obama isn't the best Prez in our lifetimes, but on the other hand, he also isn't a dictator.

Fri, Dec 13, 2013 3:26pm
What this country needs is somebody behind the curtain to run things (as in "pay no attention to the man behind the curtain").

Isn't that what we have now? The mysterious Valerie Jarrett seems to be the "wizard" in this "fairy-tale".

And didn't Bush have Darth Vader "pulling the strings" behind the curtain during portions of his time in office?

Fri, Dec 13, 2013 3:54pm
Darth Vader? You mean Cheney? Funny, when they took pictures of him in hunting clothes, after he shot one of his buddies, he looked like Elmer Fudd. At Obama's inauguration, he was in a wheel-chair and he looked like Mr. Potter.

Fri, Dec 13, 2013 3:57pm
"Gypsy at City Theater Company"

Since I saw that headline, I've been waiting for Kavips to lecture us that the "G-word" is politically incorrect and we should say "Romani."

Hitler tried to exterminate them, too, but we don't hear about that. Apparently some people think they don't count. Just like the Palestinians.

Mike from Delaware
Fri, Dec 13, 2013 5:57pm
So that means the story of "Romani" Rose Lee is playing at the City Theatre Company. Gotta love political correctness.

Mike from Delaware
Fri, Dec 13, 2013 6:02pm
Dick Cheney looking like Elmer Fudd. I'm gonna hunt me some whaskaly Democwats.

Fri, Dec 13, 2013 7:06pm
And the Washington Native Americans play Atlanta this Sunday.

Sat, Dec 14, 2013 4:09am
To MFD and Billsmith: I have long advocated stopping Saturday mail delivery. PMG Pat Donahoe attempted to implement that elimination only for Congress to say no you can't. And no, it wouldn't take one penny out of my pocket because I'm not a mail carrier but rather an administrative clerk.

I'm for the cluster boxes. However, they'll never fly in Greenville.

Sat, Dec 14, 2013 4:22am
As I recall, some people here were all up in arms up the postal service wanting to close a regional sorting center in Delaware just because it was in Delaware (not because it was still necessary). This is why the government can't stop spending money. Even the people who complain the most about government spending have something that must not be cut - and everything they spend money on is somebody's pet project. Delaware is probably a worst offender at protecting pork than most. An unnecessary Air Force base is kept open to house a mortuary and the mortuary isn't really needed either.

Meanwhile, everybody is acting all shocked - shocked - that a guy who went missing in Iran was working for (gasp!) the CIA. Oh, no! Same people who spend money to see James Bond movies. And does the phrase "if you are killed or captured, the secretary will disavow any knowledge of your actions" ring a bell? What people SHOULD get upset about is Israel, a so-called ally, keeps sending spies against the US (the latest is a movie producer).

Sat, Dec 14, 2013 4:40am
The PC Nazis have been bitching and moaning that Saturday Night Live does not have enough/any Black female cast members. Now Lorne Michaels has caved in and is going to hire two Black females. They don't have to be good, they don't have to be talented and they don't even have to be funny. They just have to Black and female. Affirmative action at work. Just watch, the PC Cops will be counting their appearances, too, and complaining if they don't get in enough skits. So, they will have to dump some other cast members. SNL has too many people already - more than it has ever had. Some hardly ever get on.

Sat, Dec 14, 2013 4:52am
Funny thing about those Mormons. Polygamy (the principle) is a basic tenant of their religion but when it got in the way, they dumped it and passed draconian laws against it in the Utah theocracy. But a judge has ruled the Utah law is unconstitutional...
Legal victory for Sister Wives as judge rules Utah law on bigamy is unconstitutional

* Kody Brown and his four wives had fled to Las Vegas fearing prosecution
* Judge says state's law was a violation of First Amendment

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2523604/Legal-victory-Sister-Wives-judge-rules-Utah-law-bigamy-unconstitutional.html#ixzz2nRPotXuI
Christians say they like separation of church and state - in theory, not in practice. They say they like freedom of religion - their own freedom, not anybody else. After all, anybody is else is wrong and going to hell.

Judge orders giant cross be removed from Korean War memorial after a 22-year battle over separation of church and state

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2523013/Judge-orders-cross-removed-Korean-War-memorial-22-year-court-battle.html#ixzz2nRPynak2
You get what you pay for. ACA was so badly written (to allow stuff like this) and you know who claimed to be a lawyer and even to teach at major law school. I wonder how his former students did on the bar exam.

Care at top hospitals is NOT INCLUDED in Obamacare, report reveals

* Insurers selling cover on the new exchanges will not offer access to cancer centers, Memorial Sloan Kettering in Manhattan and MD Anderson Cancer Center in Houston
* Access to Cedars-Sinai in Los Angeles, one of the top research and teaching hospitals, may also be limited

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2520598/Obamacare-limit-access-3-hospitals-insurers-cut-costs.html#ixzz2nRQPtvhW

Sat, Dec 14, 2013 12:28pm
Chris Coons* hits a new low in pandering to a victim/entitlement group. Chris says people with HIV should not - repeat, not - have to tell their partners that they are infected (and said partners are at risk of becoming infected, too). It's this kind of fuzzy, make people feel good thinking that helped spread the AIDS epidemic in the first place. People with all other sexually transmitted diseases have to have their partners notified by public health authorities. Oh, but gays didn't want to do that - too much stigma. So, one of the most effective means to combating the AIDS epidemic was "off the table." Now, Chris says laws requiring partner notification are discriminatory (despite the fact that people with any other STD have to notify their partners, and current rules also apply straight people with HIV, too). Maybe we'd have been better off with O'Donnell after all.

HIV Disclosure Requirement Called Discriminatory

It's against the law in dozens of states not to tell your partner you have HIV. But critics say HIV isn't a death sentence anymore, making those laws out of date and discriminatory. Host Scott Simon talks with Sen. Chris Coons of Delaware about a bill he introduced this week that aims to change that.
* Please note: Coons is a surname and not a derogatory racial slur in this context. This is for the benefit of PC types who see race in everything.

Mike from Delaware
Sat, Dec 14, 2013 6:12pm
Billsmith: I never thought I have to say those words, that in this very specific case we might have been better off with.........I hold my nose as I say it...........Christine O'Donnell, but if Coons said that, he's off his nut & yes O'Donnell would be better on this issue. Political Correctness again.

Sun, Dec 15, 2013 9:21am
The world has gone CRAZY!!!!!!!!

I thought Earl Bradley and Jerry Sandusky were the ultimate in human depravity - until I saw this:


Sun, Dec 15, 2013 10:13am
What you expect, Pizza? The article says the guy was a Marine and - even worse - an officer. They are all depraved. From killing babies, tossing them up in the air to impale them on bayonets, urinating on dead bodies, torture, mutilation ... this is one small step for a sicko. As an officer, this guy was a clear candidate for fraging, sickest of the sick.

Mike from Delaware
Sun, Dec 15, 2013 1:17pm
Mrpizza: I live in an older development that has the mail box up at your front door [where it belongs in my opinion]. So it's a walking route. We go through quite a few mail carriers each year. Soon as they have enough seniority they bid out to probably a riding route with the mail box being at the curb.

I asked one of our mail carriers[before he bid out] why the heavy turn over [I thought maybe because of people's dogs or something like that] and he said it wasn't the walking or people's dogs, but there are a couple of apartment complexes on this route too, and the mail carriers apparently hate standing in one place just filling boxes.

You work on the inside as a clerk, but maybe the carriers don't want cluster boxes. Granted this was one man carrier's opinion, I'll have to ask our newest mail carrier and get his/her spin.

Mike from Delaware
Sun, Dec 15, 2013 1:35pm
Can't help, but wonder if John Kerry is positioning himself for another run at the Presidency in 2016. Seems like a lot of John Kerry news stories, since he became Sec of State. Unlike Hillary, who has Benghazi in her resume, Kerry seems to have been doing a reasonable job.




Sun, Dec 15, 2013 1:57pm
MikeFromDelaware: I've seen the curbside clusters (although my neighborhood doesn't have them). They don't stand around. They pull up and fill the boxes from their funny little mail car with the steering wheel on the right. I also imagine that it makes a difference on a "walking route" (1) How close together the houses are and (2) What the terrain is (a hilly route, especially with steep drives must be terrible).

First class mail is what a lot of people think of when they think of the postal service but it is no longer the major part of their business (and keeps getting less important all the time). The post office now is a last mile delivery service for commercial mailers (i.e., junk mail). Bulk mail is usually carried by someone else to each local post office, already sorted and all the post office does is put it in people's mail boxes (or slots). The other big part of their business is package delivery. They even deliver stuff carried by FedEx and UPS. Now, curbside cluster boxes are fine for junk mail and bulk mail but it seems like (unless the boxes are pretty big), that they are still going to have to bring packages to your door.

Political correctness comes into play here too. Whenever this idea is mentioned, bleeding hearts trot out some little old lady who whines about having to go to the curb for her social security check (apparently she's never hear of direct deposit) or her meds. We have to keep paying extra to accommodate people who are stupid, lazy or like being helpless - thanks to the PC'ers who are their enablers. And the media who enable the enablers.

Mike from Delaware
Sun, Dec 15, 2013 5:34pm
More & more people are getting their meds via the mail. It's one thing to have your mailbox on your property, but something else to have to walk a block or two to get to your clusterbox. Secondly is the box large enough unlike apartment mailboxes to hold these rather large plastic bags of meds. My folks get their meds this way & an apartment box isn't large enough.

Sun, Dec 15, 2013 6:45pm
MikeFromDelaware: I've never seen clusters where anybody had to walk "a block or two." Maybe a door or two - clusters serve six or eight homes. And packages would have to be left at the house (maybe even signed for). Boxes I've seen are bigger than apartment boxes - more like the size of roadside mailboxes in the country. If somebody insists on delivery at the door, they should pay for it. Not us. Including old ladies. The first place I ever saw mailbox clusters was in one of the retirement communities in Florida where everybody was old. These geezers and biddies could probably benefit from a walk to the mailbox. Not unlike those fat old hags with their handicapped parking permits who don't appear to have anything wrong with them that couldn't be cured by a longer walk from a parking lot.

Mike from Delaware
Sun, Dec 15, 2013 7:30pm
Billsmith: Some of the old folks need walkers. I've been to trailer parks where all the boxes are at one or two locations (opposite ends of the park) which is few blocks away. The old folks drive their cars to go get their mail. Some old person who no longer can drive would be in a bit of a fix.

The clusterboxes I've seen in some developments here are near the entrance, so the geezers living not near that location would have a rather long walk.

Sun, Dec 15, 2013 10:39pm
MFD: I'm sure the cluster box issue will eventually shake itself out into a workable solution. Unlike the rest of the taxpayer-subsidized government, the Postal Service has to get it right because we don't get bailouts when we make a mistake.

Sun, Dec 15, 2013 10:47pm
Bill: I'm sure this marine was the exception to the rule. What makes this crime particularly heinous is the pre-meditation, which happened even before the children were conceived in the womb. This wasn't even the typical PTSD case,
which causes mainly impulsive behavior. This guy was probably a pervert long before he ever became a marine.

This guy should get life in Guantanomo along with the terrorists and be subject to daily torture the rest of his days.

Mon, Dec 16, 2013 6:57am
Political correctness runs rampant in the classrooms. It all boils down to: Teachers say agree with me (or at at least act like you agree with me) or Flunk!
The First Amendment Right to Nonpolitical Homework

For my daughter’s high-school biology class, the students are required to take a public action addressing climate change. They have a wide range of options of what they can do: write a letter to a public official, design a website, develop a public-service announcement or organize a flash mob. They are required to submit proof that they presented their work publicly — that is, that they mailed the letter, launched the website, etc. Is it ethical for the school to require students to speak publicly on a specific issue? Or even to give extra credit for doing so? Does the students’ right to free speech also give them the right not to speak publicly on this topic? ....


Mon, Dec 16, 2013 7:11am
MikeFromDelaware: You are starting to sound a little politically correct yourself. So, a few old people (a relative small percentage) insist on living someplace where walkers can't be used, are mobile enough not to need caregivers (who can get their mail) but immobile enough that they can't walk to a curbside mailbox, and the post office should spend millions of dollars yearly (while going broke otherwise) to provide front door delivery to these selfish, short-sighted old people. I guess you are OK paying for it but I'm not. These are the same selfish geezers and biddies who insist on driving with failing eyesight and reflexes who mow people down because they don't want to give up their "independence." Greatest generation, my ass!
PS: I get prescriptions from a pharmacy at the supermarket. How do these old farts get their groceries? Those can't be delivered by mail yet (although Amazon is trying). We know they are getting fed because so many of them are so fat.
I see old people at the Y. They pull into those reserved handicapped parking spots and ride the elevator to get on a treadmill or take an exercise class. Same ones complaining about having to walk to a mailbox. Maybe if they weren't so lazy, they'd be more mobile.
And talk about entitlement! Ever see the way these people demand cheaper "senior" rates for themselves and then want extra or preferential service.

Mike from Delaware
Mon, Dec 16, 2013 8:49am
Billsmith: Yes there are many old people who are very mobile, but some who are able to get around with much difficulty, but don't require nursing care. Meals on Wheels delivers many meals around the NCC area to shut in's.

It's one thing for them to walk to their curb to get their mail, something else for them to walk a block or more. These folks can cook, clean, bath themselves, etc, they just can't walk very well or very far.

My folks are excellent examples: my dad is 90, my mom is 85. He no longer drives, but my mom has excellent eye sight, good eye to hand coordination, etc, she's an excellent driver [I've rode with her at the wheel]. But both she and he have walking issues, so yes did qualified for a handicap sticker for the car, so she does park in a handicap spot. Neither can walk real far without a cart to lean on for support [so food shopping is OK for a short time, but given how little they eat, they probably aren't buying much either thus a short trip to the food store].

They live in the suburbs and the bus is not near where they live, so that is not an option. Once she can no longer safely drive, they'll use the DART Paratransit to get around during the weekdays or wait for me to take them somewhere on the weekends when I'm not working.

By the way, taxes haven't supported the USPS for a few decades, so tax payer money isn't paying for the mail delivery. So other than the price of stamps, there's no cost to any of us.

So the first thing you'd cut from USPS costs is delivery to homes and forced cluster boxes?? Why not cut out Saturday deliveries first??

Something that will cost you and I as taxpayers is what you seem to be implying, shipping off all the geezers to nursing home/assisted living "prisons". The way this works, I remember from when my grandmother went to the nursing home, the custodial child or whomever has been designated the person making decisions for the geezer, sells off the geezers property, etc, to pay for the nursing home, ONCE that money is gone and all her assets were used to pay for the nursing home, THEN the taxpayer picks up the tab. So if wasting your tax dollars is a concern, then it would be far less expensive to allow geezers to stay in their homes fcr as long as they can, before farming them off to assisted living/nursing homes.

The nursing home part of that equation is a glorified padded prison, the doors are locked they can't get out. I used to be a United Methodist Lay Speaker and have done many Sunday Services, shit in visits, etc, to nursing homes so I know of what I speak. Shipping somoene off to a nursing home is the last choice, in my opinion.

So it is far cheaper to have the mail delivered to a curbside mail box at their home than to pay taxes to have all the geezers put into a nursing home/assisted living places.

You seem to lack any compassion for the elderly. I don't know about you, but as I've aged [I'm 62] things are changing for me physically so that I can better understand that my body is aging and am facing some limitations that I didn't have 5 years ago. It's part of growing old.

Those who can not drive safely should not getting behind the wheel, but I can totally understand why the geezers want to hold on to their independence for as long as they can. They'd rather die in their own bed than in a hospital/nursing home. I can't say that I blame them at all, because I feel the same way.

Mon, Dec 16, 2013 9:40am
MikeFromDelaware: What percentage of mail customers are we talking about here? A fraction of a per cent? So, you want to keep front-door delivery, and block curb-side cluster boxes to accommodate a miniscule portion of the postal customer base? Welcome to the world of political correctness...

They have been talking about ending Saturday delivery for more than 50 years. And it's selfish geezers waiting on their checks and meds that keep blocking it. Same with cluster boxes.

You want to cite anecdotes and specific examples, OK. A while back I had to go inside the bank to get a teller to handle a transaction. They had ropes set up as a maze in front of the bank of teller cages forming a single line. I got to the front of the line and the light flashed, pointing me to an open window. As I started down to the teller, a little old lady came in from the exit and walked up to the window. I said, "There's a line here." And she said, "Wait until you get old." Apparently geezers and biddies, like Feminazis and members of certain minority/victim/entitlement groups think the rules don't apply to them, that the world revolves around them and that they are special.

They don't care about anybody else; I see no reason to care about them.

And if you really don't want old people to rot away in hospitals and nursing homes, maybe you should argue for legal euthanasia. But Christians keep opposing it, again forcing their dogma on everyone else.

Mike from Delaware
Mon, Dec 16, 2013 10:26am
Billsmith: So you had one old biddy cut in front of you. Yep, she was being inconsiderate and rude.

So you're in favor of killing folks when they get old and are no longer considered "useful" to society. You want to play god. Give us your definition for when someone is no longer of value to society so when you become that, we can recommend you for Euthanasia; I know you'd not want to be a hypocrite.

Funny how it works; an older person is a young person on the inside wondering what the heck happened.

Old is relative. I remember when, in junior and high school, me and my buddies would refer to our fathers as the old man. After all, they were in their 30's and to our eyes were OLD. What I've discovered as I've aged is that definition changes. I consider OLD being about 15 years older than I am at the time. So it's a sliding scale.

Obviously, at some point you'll have to admit you're old -- my folks have done that -- but at 62, I'm NOT old, I'm not a teen, nor a young adult, but not old either, simply older as in mature [upper middle-age]; older is still down the road.

If I didn't know you were NOT a geezer, I'd say that you sound like a grumpy old man. Come on Bill, life's too short to stress yourself out over some of this stuff.

If our nation's worse problem is we have curbside mail deliveries, then we're in pretty good shape, but I think we both would agree we, as a nation, have far bigger problems.

Mon, Dec 16, 2013 12:02pm
So Mike, Are you now saying all Geezers are grumpy old men?

You just keep stepping in it, don't you? :)

Mike from Delaware
Mon, Dec 16, 2013 1:08pm
Kavips: Come on Kavips, give me a break! I've just spent a number of posts defending Geezers, I was using Billsmith's implied view of Geezers to make my point.

Mon, Dec 16, 2013 2:58pm
MikeFromDelaware: Don't twist things. I don't want to decide when somebody else should I die. I want the right to decide when I should die. I have seen old people in pain, constant agony, incapacitated, and with nothing to look forward to. You and others like you are the ones claiming to speak for god, and deciding medical science and the machines it has produced should keep them alive.

You people insist on imposing Christian dogma - suffering is good - on everyone. I've had old dogs and I could see there was no joy, no interest in living left for them. I could tell they were hurting. I was able to take them to the vet and end their misery. But you won't allow people to do that for themselves.

If heaven is so wonderful, why do Christians insist on delaying people's arrival (and act so sad when somebody does get to what you all claim is "a better place")?

Mon, Dec 16, 2013 3:26pm
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