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U.S./China relationship: A mix of cooperation/confrontation or an inevitable slide to confrontation later in the decade?

First of all, hoping your holiday season has been warm and meaningful. Of course, New Year's is still ahead.

Sometimes, I fear, as we assess news stories and global trends, we miss the big picture.

With disproportionate emphasis on such stories as the rollout of President Obama's health-care overhaul; the health of the nation's economy; and yes, the Middle-East, we miss the big stories: Increasing confrontation in East Asia (China vs. its neighbors, particularly Japan, and the sometimes edgy U.S./Chinese relationship which could become more confrontational later in the decade), not to mention global competition for finite resources, and climate change.

Peter Lee at The ASIA TIMES reviews some of the scenarios for East Asia, including how an increasingly nationalistic Japan and a possible Republic of China/Taiwan renunciation of the "One China" doctine could unleash unpredictable shock waves. (Despite President Obama's intensification of the U.S. drone campaign, and U.S. surveillance, Lee fears Mr. Obama's successor might have little compunction over a heightened confrontation with China. Indeed, I could imagine a "hawkish" Hillary Clinton, or ANY of the likely Republican Presidential nominees - with the notable exception of Rand Paul - in that position.)


http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China/CHIN-02-231213.html



Posted at 8:19am on December 30, 2013 by Allan Loudell

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Comments on this post:

billsmith
Mon, Dec 30, 2013 9:15am
Apparently, Loudell has health coverage or doesn't expect to need it before age 65 or he wouldn't so blithely dismiss health-care reform and its problems. Instead, he'd rather focus on the other side of the world and big material off of obscure websites nobody else pays attention to. His apparent purpose is to show how smart he is and to make everyone else wrong who does not share his interest in China, butterflies and stamps.

Note: The Asia Times is the product of a right-wing media mogul in Thailand - sort of the Siamese Rupert Murdoch.


Allan Loudell
Mon, Dec 30, 2013 9:20am
Bill. Happy Holidays. And I do care about health-care reform. Remember: My output is not just this blog. I do many stories and interviews about the President's health-care overhaul every week.

And whatever the ownership of The ASIA TIMES, a good deal of its output is left-wing, progressive... certainly condemnatory of U.S. foreign policy.

And my "interests" are all over the map, literally and figuratively.

billsmith
Mon, Dec 30, 2013 10:09am
Allan Loudell: You said: "With disproportionate emphasis on such stories as the rollout of President Obama's health-care overhaul; the health of the nation's economy; and yes, the Middle-East, we miss the big stories..."

Your words, not mine.

People who can't get or afford health insurance in the private market up to now may not consider this coverage "disproportionate." And people who have lost their jobs or their homes (or are worried about losing homes or jobs) might not consider coverage of the economy "disproportionate." And coverage of a region that has drawn U.S. forces into harm's way repeatedly in the last quarter-century - and may do so again - may not be "disproportionate."

Mike from Delaware
Mon, Dec 30, 2013 10:19am
Allan: Welcome back. Hope your Christmas holiday was good too.

China and that entire Asian thing could very well become a problem that the U.S. into which the U.S. would feel it would have to stick its nose. China has landed a probe on the Moon [wonder if it'll also put a Chinese flag in the soil there] and is expanding its space program. Russia also announced during the past week, I believe, that Putin wants to expand Russia's space program too.

My guess is, it won't be too far down the trail that the U.S. will have to announce we're expanding our space program. The idea of the Ruskies, but especially the Chi-Coms, having bases on the Moon or "peaceful satellites" hovering over the U.S. is very unsettling.

So all that will contribute towards the U.S. getting involved in the power-grab by China against its neighbors.

I agree Hillary or most Republican Presidents would want to take action, thus getting us into another confrontational situation which would drain more money out of our treasury.

At least with Hillary and a DEM-controlled Congress, they'd at least raise taxes [probably on everyone including the wealthy 2%] to pay for such a confrontation; unlike the TEA/G.O.P. folks who would want to do as Bush Jr. did, for Iraq/Afghanistan, and that was lower taxes especially, on the upper 2%, thus causing most of the debt problems we have now.

Allan Loudell
Mon, Dec 30, 2013 10:20am
Bill. I see your points.

But you might agree with me that were it not for Israel and U.S. oil interests, the United States' pre-occupation in the world might not be so Middle-East--centric.

To Bill and Mike: While the Middle-East is inherently dangerous, I fear a conflict in East Asia - were it to occur - could escalate into a regional war, or worse, much more quickly.

Allan Loudell

EarlGrey
Mon, Dec 30, 2013 10:48am
"Mr. Obama's successor might have little compunction over a heightened confrontation with China. Indeed, I could imagine a "hawkish" Hillary Clinton, or ANY of the likely Republican Presidential nominees - with the notable exception of Rand Paul - in that position.)"~Loudell

Yet another reason to vote for a Tea Partier like Rand Paul ;)

kavips
Mon, Dec 30, 2013 11:50am
If it is any consolation, 100 years ago, no one paid very much attention to Serbia and Bosnia either....

China will no doubt soon attempt to take over a contested piece of worthless rock under the erroneous notion the U.S. will not risk a war. In which case the U.S. then has two options: Defend our existing treaties with either Japan, Taiwan, or Philippines and start WWIII, or... undergo negotiations and allow the possessions to shift hands peacefully (as was was done at Munich), and later start WWIII.

BillS is wrong that the Obamacare dominance of American news is important. The current situation has already pushed that story off the front pages... Obamacare has dropped into the "nothing-new-to-see-here" category. Keep in mind that only 13 out of 1000 people were affected negatively by Obamacare, and it was a non-event, or positive experience, for the other 987 ...

China is the news, for if that explodes, we are indeed in a pickle.

The best option, in my opinion, is to follow neither the scenarios that led us down those two paths last century.

I'd propose an economic war, and wars through proxies, as we pursued against Soviet Russia, as our most effective strategy.

Our strongest weapon is the internal unrest within China itself... As soon as we can make the Chinese people understand that their government is all that is standing in the way of their achieving their own version of an American quality of life, we open a new front for the Chinese government right in their own backyard.

billsmith
Mon, Dec 30, 2013 12:18pm
"To Bill and Mike: While the Middle-East is inherently dangerous, I fear a conflict in East Asia - were it to occur - could escalate into a regional war, or worse, much more quickly."

We've already had three major wars in/with the Far East in the lifetimes of people now living. And today's equivalent of the old China Lobby might get us into another one. What is this Peter Lee's background and agenda?

U.S. business interests have coveted China as a market for their manufactured goods and as a source of raw materials for almost 200 years. U.S. religious interests have coveted China as a source of converts. Both have led to U.S. imperialism in the area. What ax is this Lee person grinding?

EarlGrey
Mon, Dec 30, 2013 12:31pm
"Our strongest weapon is the internal unrest within China itself... As soon as we can make the Chinese people understand that their government is all that is standing in the way of their achieving their own version of an American quality of life, we open a new front for the Chinese government right in their own backyard."-kavips

So, the Chinese need their own TEA Party? LOL!

EarlGrey
Mon, Dec 30, 2013 12:37pm
btw kavips, I actually agree with your assessment on China...thought your diary on DailyKos did a good job describing how to go about putting that China plan into action. Problem is, as Mr. Loudell said, 0bama/Hillary/or a neo-Con Republican would not pursue that plan...but someone like Rand might.

billsmith
Mon, Dec 30, 2013 4:20pm
The Chinese drink oolong, not Earl Grey.

EarlGrey
Mon, Dec 30, 2013 6:07pm
Chinese tea can be classified into five distinctive categories: white, green, oolong, black and post-fermented...but they can still join the Tea Party...

The Green Tea Party? Sounds like a job for the CIA.

billsmith
Mon, Dec 30, 2013 6:48pm
U.S. tea baggers are probably post-fermented... and white, of course.

mrpizza
Mon, Dec 30, 2013 8:31pm
Hey Bill: In 2014, the TEA party is going to do this to you:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnzHtm1jhL4

billsmith
Tue, Dec 31, 2013 5:24am
Pizza: Why don't you move down to the bayous and join the duck dummies; your kind of people. I notice the Republican establishment is already moving to purge the party of tea nuts.

MikeFromDelaware: If you considered Pizza your "brother," you are as bad as he. Christianity is divided between nasty, oppresive bigots, and spineless cowards who tolerate them (and allow them to operate).

mrpizza
Tue, Dec 31, 2013 6:45am
Bigoted TEA nut and proud of it!

billsmith
Tue, Dec 31, 2013 8:21am
Obviously, and a credit to Christianity.
Are you also looking for marry underage girls, like your duck brother in Christ?

EarlGrey
Tue, Dec 31, 2013 9:00am
bill: What the "duck" are you talking about?...underage?

EarlGrey
Tue, Dec 31, 2013 9:21am
Nevermind bill...just saw your post/link on another thread.

All Phil said was that if you are old enough to have sex then you better get married first...sounds like sound biblical doctrine and nothing to do with child-brides (unless there is also a "child-groom"). The Bible is clear on this topic of sex/marriage.

Some L.D.S. and some in Islam do want actual child-brides (as young as 11) marrying old men but Phil/Christianity do not agree with that "policy".

Sounds like a "witch-hunt" has been declared on Phil and Christianity.

Chick-Phil-A Day is on January 21st to support Phil and Christianity.

billsmith
Tue, Dec 31, 2013 9:29am
Congratulations, Earl: You're helping Pizza discredit Christianity. Maybe you'd be happier in Sussex where 17 is an old maid and they marry their cousins. And every Sunday morning you go to St. Jerry Lee Lewis Church with the other rednecks.

EarlGrey
Tue, Dec 31, 2013 9:50am
bill: Pretty sure I'm not discrediting Christianity by saying one should be married before engaging in sex and the responsibility that comes with pleasure...maybe if more people thought this way less abortions would be performed and more fathers would be involved with the family.

It would be better IMHO if the marriage takes place after 18-20 but if the "kids" are Christians and hold to the teachings of Christ then they should either wait to have sex or get married.

billsmith
Tue, Dec 31, 2013 11:10am
Earl: This more recent post makes more sense than your earlier one. If you read or watched the redneck's comments, he is calling for barefoot, pregnant and in the kitchen as soon as a girl reaches puberty.

And, by the way, Jesus never said anything about pre-marital sex, just as he never said anything about gay marriage and abortion.

Only patrilinial cultures get hung up about girls being virgins when they marry; not matrilinial cultures. It's all about inheritance, and knowing for sure who the daddy is.

Adding to the hypocrisy, hillbillies and rednecks don't seem to have a problem with junior sewing wild oats; just the girl junior marries. I notice Mr. Duck only mentioned girls in his tirade; not boys.

EarlGrey
Tue, Dec 31, 2013 1:22pm
bill: I'm pretty sure Phil was joking about those statements...you know something called humor...he was making fun of Hillbillies in front of Hillbillies. If you ever watched the show you would know that Phil warns his grandchildren (boys and girls) about sex, marriage and God.

And yes, Jesus does speak about all the topics above...He followed/obeyed/believed the 10 COMMANDMENTS!

billsmith
Tue, Dec 31, 2013 2:16pm
Earl: Actually, Jesus said he followed all 613 commandments.

And I'm not sure he was joking. But make excuses for him if it makes you feel better. Maybe Phil's still will blow up and there will be nothing left of him - god willing. Something to look forward to in the new year.


Mike from Delaware
Tue, Dec 31, 2013 2:44pm
Billsmith said, "And, by the way, Jesus never said anything about pre-marital sex, just as he never said anything about gay marriage and abortion."

As I've explained before, Jesus tended to preach on subjects where he either expanded the law to a higher level or was against how the Jewish leaders were enforcing the laws. So yes Jesus didn't preach about homosexuality, per-marital sex, bestiality, etc, specifically, because Jesus agreed with those laws.

This Phil Robertson fella is definitely, in my book, a Redneck, Hillbilly. I don't believe he'd argue with that statement, but would be rather proud of that. Don't look to me to defend the stuff he says. I've never watched the show, have no interest in him or his show. Do not believe the Constitution guarantees him the protection from his employer the right to say anything in public, that protection is only from the government other than threatening to do something to over throw the government.

Of course this is America and the wealthy famous folks among us here have a different set of rules for them. So he gets a break that the rest of us wouldn't get, just as the Hollywood crowd, sports figures, politicians, and the wealthiest 2% get. There's one unwritten law for them and the law book that gets thrown at the rest of us.

Subject change.

So tonight is what used to the one night of they year we'd hear Guy Lombardo and his Royal Canadians playing Auld Lang Syne. Hard to believe that's been quite a few years ago.

Hope all of you will be safe. I had a band many years ago and have played many New Years Eve's. We always saw accidents on the side of the road on our way home after the gig.

I remember an Alcoholic I once knew. I remember once kidding him saying, well Joe, tonight is your big night eh? He admitted he was an alcoholic, he just didn't want to do anything about it so no AA for him. Anyhow, his answer was interesting. He said, heck no I don't go out on New Years Eve, that's Amateur night. People one night a year decide to go out and drink like I do all year long and then kill themselves and others on the highways, no thank you. I'll stay home and celebrate.

So be safe if you do go out. I'm going to a New Years Eve church service in the early evening and then home.

Hopefully some sanity will happen in the world in 2014. OK we all know that's not going to happen, but we can always hope. Happy New Year all.

EarlGrey
Tue, Dec 31, 2013 2:47pm
Happy New Year to you Mike...and all others here.

Mike from Delaware
Tue, Dec 31, 2013 3:08pm
Interesting Biblical find in Israel.

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/53949713#.UsMhf_uJoit

billsmith
Tue, Dec 31, 2013 3:38pm
First of all, it's not a Bible they found. It's a piece of cloth.

Second of all, it does not look anything like blue. If the Bible calls that blue (and they are just guessing on that) then the Bible is color blind.


billsmith
Tue, Dec 31, 2013 7:33pm
"Chick-Phil-A Day is on January 21st to support Phil and Christianity."

Just when this fast-food chain was starting to put a public relations disaster behind, the Duck Lovers drag it back down again. Now, people with a conscience will remember to drive on to the next fast-food place down the road. I'm sure the Colonel, Kenny, and Popeye are pleased.

mrpizza
Tue, Dec 31, 2013 9:45pm
Hey Bill: Earl, MFD, and I don't have to discredit Christianity. It was already discredited in your mind long before you ever joined this blog.

Heaven or hell. The choice is yours.

billsmith
Wed, Jan 1, 2014 5:36am
Hell. It gets a much better class of people.
"Go to Heaven for the climate, Hell for the company."
- Mark Twain


mrpizza
Wed, Jan 1, 2014 7:02am
Hmmmmmmmmm. I wonder which one HE went to.

billsmith
Wed, Jan 1, 2014 9:43am
Pizza: You should worry about which one YOU go to since as a hate-filled, nasty bigot, you violate most of Jesus' teachings.

Your heaven is a non-stop church service filled with fundamentalist tea-baggers, so I'll pass on that.

What if the Bible lies and Satan is really the good guy; Yahweh the bad guy? Read Robert Heinlein's "The Book of Job" sometime.

Mike from Delaware
Wed, Jan 1, 2014 9:57am
Mrpizza: Haven't you figured it out yet? Billsmith is not interested, because he doesn't believe heaven and hell exist. He doesn't believe the Bible is God's holy, inspired, and infallible word. He's not been shy in sharing that with all of us.

Your discussion with him reminds me of the TEA/G.O.P. trying to legislate morality issues with folks in society who don't even realize those things are sinful. They don't believe they are doing anything wrong, thus the problem, and without Christ/Holy Spirit in their lives, they'll never get it. So from Bill's point-of-view, we're trying to jam our beliefs and values down his throat, which he resents, just as we resent the "worldly values" being shoved down our throats.

For those who have Christ and are truly following Christ, it doesn't matter whether or not there's a law against say abortion. Those folks won't be living a lifestyle that would put them into a situation where they'd have to consider getting an abortion.

The other folks don't believe their lifestyle is sinful [wrong] so they think you and I are crazy. THAT's why I do not advocate trying to legislate such things in government; it simply puts up a barrier for these folks to come to Christ. Jesus didn't bother either with ancient Rome. He simply went about his Father's business winning one heart/soul at a time. Today's Church needs to go back to doing that and get out of politics. That doesn't mean as individuals we can't be in politics as Americans, but we should not drag God's holy name into it.

So the same applies to Billsmith. He truly isn't interested, so getting into a sparing battle over all this stuff is pointless. Bill doesn't believe any of it; from his perspective, any of us who do are talking nonsense in his opinion.

Bill gave you his perspective above when he said,"Hell. It gets a much better class of people.
"Go to Heaven for the climate, Hell for the company."
- Mark Twain"

I've heard many folks say similar stuff: My friends are all going to be in Hell, so I want to be there too, etc.

You think you're going to argue Billsmith into the Kingdom of God? Nowhere do I see Jesus strong-arming someone into the kingdom. I may not agree with Bill's decision, but I respect Bill's right to be wrong on this issue and make the decision he chooses. He has the same free will to pick up the fork and eat the banquet Jesus has freely given us that you and I have.

Bill has obviously read some of the Bible, if not all of the Bible. He, at some point in his life, chose to walk away from the faith, for whatever reason; that's between Bill and God. Bill doesn't owe any us an explanation. For whatever reason Bill's chosen to say to Jesus, no thank you. I know better. It is what it is. As I said, I may not like his decision, and pray that he changes his mind, but it is his decision and nagging a person usually doesn't get that person to change and see it your way [does your wife's nagging ever get you to see it her way? - heh heh].

To everyone here: Happy New Year - 2014.

billsmith
Wed, Jan 1, 2014 12:43pm
MikeFromDelaware: You really think Pizza is a reasonable person and open to appeals to logic. Not just Pizza, the cross-burners, the Duck Dynasty, all the wackos.... I hope you don't plan on spending eternity with people like that. Don't take this brother-in-Christ thing too far. The reason for holidays is so you can have the other 360 plus days to avoid relatives.

mrpizza
Wed, Jan 1, 2014 1:04pm
MFD: Thanks for the perspective. I'm not trying to strongarm Bill into the kingdom, but I do try to remind him that he's headed in the wrong direction when there's an opening to do so. Different people need different kinds of witnessing.

I do agree with you about the church that individual Christians should do the political bidding. I don't consider it appropriate for a church administration to publicly endorse a political candidate or party. By the same token, unions also are supposed to be politically neutral, but unfortunately they're clearly left-wing and spend dues money endorsing such candidates regardless of the political preference of the person the money came from.

As you've probably seen over and over again, it's liberal black churches who endorse candidates, and as usual, it's Democrats. They exploit the black church and black pastors the same as the exploit the black poor. Never are these churches targeted for IRS audits, but if a white church just speaks out on an issue or expresses any disagreement with the left, watch out, they'll take away your tax-exempt status.

Have a great and prosperous new year, with all of God's blessings.

billsmith
Wed, Jan 1, 2014 3:01pm
Pizza: You lie! First off, unions are not obliged to be politically neutral. However, churches are. And it is right-wing, fundamentalist mega-church preachers and televangelists who routinely and consistently endorse Republicans, as well as take positions on issues like gay marriage and reproductive choice.

I wish you would share your uninformed and bigoted opinions in the real world, say a neighborhood bar where somebody can give you the cold cocking you richly deserve.
My idea of hell: Any place that includes you.

MikeFromDelaware: Maybe you could take out a lost-and-found ad for your missing backbone. By the way, women who are not sexually repressed don't need to nag. Women who are regularly gratified sensually are much nicer and they get what they want because it's a pleasure to get them what they want. But Christians wouldn't know about that. I started getting turned off to the church in middle school when I realized that church girls, contrary to the song, do NOT want to have fun (or at least, they won't admit it, and make it too much work to get to home base).

Christians worship pain and suffering.

If Jesus had been hung, they'd have a noose hanging from their rearview mirror.
If Jesus had been stoned, they'd have a rock hanging from their rearview mirror.
If Jesus had gotten the electric chair, they'd have an electric plug hanging from their rearview mirror.
If Jesus had gotten lethal injection, they'd have a hypodermic syringe hanging from their rearview mirror.
If Jesus had been beheaded, they'd have an ax hanging from their rearview mirror.
If Jesus had gotten the firing squad, they'd have a bullet - or maybe an arrow - hanging from their rearview mirror.
No wonder Bible-thumpers love the death penalty so much. No surprise they don't care about innocent people being executed.

Mike from Delaware
Wed, Jan 1, 2014 4:11pm
Billsmith: It's not a matter of having a backbone, but I'm not the judge. I'm a sinner who is seeing a blurred image, just as you and Mrpizza are. That's why I try not to condemn either of you. Sure, there are times I don't agree with Mrpizza [Prosperity Gospel and the Duck Dynasty idolizing thing, for example] or with you on other topics and I'll express where I see it differently from Mrpizza or you. But I'm as fallible as he and you, and I'm sure I've not got the entire view correct as my faith/walk continues to grow [or if you will - evolve] as I learn more both from Science but also from the Bible and History]. So all I can do is offer the understanding I have at a given moment realizing that you, EarlGrey, and Mrpizza are doing the same. There are those rare times when we all agree and the other times where we don't.

I do agree with you that unions don't have an obligation not to be political, but it does seem unreasonable if you're a Republican, and your dues money is going to support views you don't agree with, just as it would upset and not be reasonable for DEMS if their dues money was going to support TEA party candidates, etc.

Yes, the black churches tend to back liberal DEM candidates and legislation while the white Evangelical churches tend to back the conservative G.O.P./TEA candidates and legislation. Both should abstain from backing ANY candidates and political parties and legislation UNLESS it specifically would infringe on the churches' constitutional rights; that's the one time they should speak up, because the non-Christian population sure won't speak up to defend their rights, so then the church needs to do that, but only then.


Mrpizza said: "Different people need different kinds of witnessing."

I totally agree. Our styles of witnesses are different too, but if you are feeling led by the Lord to witness and "argue" with Billsmith, I sure wouldn't want to get in the way. But at some point, it just becomes an argument, and the Bible tells us to avoid foolish controversies and arguments in Titus 3:9 and 2 Timothy 2:14. Granted those scriptures were discussing controversies with believers.

Bill is a fallen-away former believer, by his own words " I started getting turned off to the church in middle school". "What if the Bible lies and Satan is really the good guy; Yahweh the bad guy?"

From what I've read from what Bill has said here for many months, He's not seeking Christ, but simply looking for an argument and a forum to discredit the Church, its people and Christian teaching, where he doesn't agree with it [homosexuality is one example and finding easy girls to lay is another to mention two].

So that's why I mention it to you Mrpizza.

Hope everyone had a good New Years, hopefully 2014 will be a better year for the economy so that all those folks who've lost jobs can go back to work.

billsmith
Wed, Jan 1, 2014 8:28pm
MikeFromDelaware: Not quite. They used to say the way to do deal with a bully is to fight back. I've had enough of being bullied by church nazis. So, I am fighting back. You people have gotten your way for too long, cowed people into silence for too long, passed laws to force your dogmas on people for too long. As I said earlier, the basis of your church is making yourselves right and others wrong, to justify yourselves and invalidate others, to dominate and avoid domination. Your most recent post is basically "we are right; he's wrong, but be nice anyway."

And as for your sometimes expressed concern that the rest of the country doesn't pay attention to Delaware: Tonight everyone in 49 other states listening to NPR heard....

Wilmington, Del., Struggles With Outsized Murder Rate

The city of Wilmington, Del., is not large, about 71,000 residents. But its escalating gun violence problem compares to that of many larger cities. The effects on the community, in particular its youngest residents, has city officials calling it a pandemic and they are seeking federal help.

http://pd.npr.org/anon.npr-mp3/npr/atc/2014/01/20140101_atc_wilmington_del_struggles_with_outsized_murder_rate.mp3?dl=1

Mike from Delaware
Wed, Jan 1, 2014 9:27pm
Billsmith: it's OK for you to say you're right & we're wrong, but not the other way around... what a hypocrite.! So rather than engage in a pointless arguement I'm done with that topic with you. So go ahead & get the last word on that topic.

Sadly Wilmington is getting a very bad reputation, but of course, the city won't do anything like Giuliani's plan, heck, that might actually work. So they just talk & talk. Blah, blah, blah, blah says the mayor & another senseless killing, then more blah, blah, blah, blah says the mayor & another couple kids get killed & on & on it goes.

mrpizza
Thu, Jan 2, 2014 2:32am
Hey Bill: Just to be clear, I've never watched Duck Dynasty and have never heard the actual audio of anything Phil Robertson has said, so I take a position of neutrality on the issue.

As far as homosexuality is concerned, I've only stated that which agrees with scripture, so you'll have to take that issue up with God.

billsmith
Thu, Jan 2, 2014 5:05am
MikeFromDelaware: Again, you keep assuming I think like you do. I don't say you're wrong. I don't know. REPEAT: I don't know. I don't believe. I just point out the flaws in your arguments and in your "infallible" scripture, and all the evil that has been done by Christians in the name of religion. You need answers. I live in the question. When I typed that, the image that came to mind was the robot on "Lost In Space" going in circles and waving it's arms saying, "It Does Not Compute!"

Try this on for size: What if there is a Holy Ghost and it speaks to each of us, each of us flawed, fallible human beings. As this blog shows, human beings often garble the messages they receive but few recognize that. A long time ago, the Holy Ghost spoke to some people, as it speaks to everyone, but they wrote down their own perception of what they received. Hundreds of years later, you and others treat that as infallible and you now listen to these old documents instead of listening to the "inner voice" speaking directly to you.

How much of what preachers and priests tell you is for their benefit, not yours - and not for the benefit of any higher power?

To paraphrase Edmund Kean, believing what you're told is easy; thinking for yourself is hard.

Pizza: For being neutral, you sure have a lot of opinions on this duck redneck. What's striking is how alike the two of you sound.


Mike from Delaware
Thu, Jan 2, 2014 10:29am
Billsmith: As I've said many times, that's Faith, believing in something you cannot prove as in a Scientific experiment. You want that and no one can give that to you. If they were able to, then it wouldn't be faith. That wasn't the path God chose to use. I understand the problem, and understand why the highly educated "logically trained minds of today" [since the Enlightenment especially] have a difficult time grasping the Faith thing.

I know what I believe based on the studying I've done. I've expounded it in much detail over the months here. I also realize that my anecdotal stories won't do it for you as those are simply my experiences [and, at that, the experiences and learnings of a man without letters], which is why I don't see the point in further beating this very bloody dead horse.

You have your point-of-view and I have my faith. I totally understand your point, but believe you've allowed your intellect to blind you to something far bigger and better than any of us are capable of comprehending, and IF my understanding IS correct, will mean a bad ending for you in the next life. I've done what my Lord has asked me to do. I've shared my faith to the best of my ability, so I have no guilt in ending this discussion.

You offered your views in exchange. Fair enough. We've had some lively debates on this stuff. We just don't see it the same way. So I respect your right to have your views, even though to me they are wrong; hopefully, you'll give me that same respect back.

Look forward to new non-faith topics to discuss. On these faith topics, I'll leave you in the capable hands of the other brothers and sisters in Christ who post here. Maybe their insights will spark something in you to rekindle that flame of faith. Be at peace.

EarlGrey
Thu, Jan 2, 2014 12:02pm
Duck Dynasty update: Phil Robertson now says all Homo sapiens sapiens (not a typo) are sinners in need of Jesus' grace :)
Romans 3:22-24

billsmith
Thu, Jan 2, 2014 12:10pm
And he is such an authority!

Boy it's bad enough when you people quote fat, pompous televangelists but now ignorant rednecks? And just to save yourself the trouble of reading a book and thinking for yourself?

EarlGrey
Thu, Jan 2, 2014 2:56pm
...we are ALL homo sapiens sapiens (modern humans) and all have sinned.

btw, Phil didn't actually say the above quote...but if he had, it would be a true statement (we are all humans) and if he had, he would again be called a "h8er".


mrpizza
Thu, Jan 2, 2014 10:03pm
Isn't Bill just an angry young man?

billsmith
Fri, Jan 3, 2014 8:40am
Mostly when he reads the idiotic crap you post, Pizza, and realizes that people like you are allowed to vote and sign contracts.

mrpizza
Fri, Jan 3, 2014 10:55am
Thanks Bill!


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