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Colorado's legal marijuana sales: Legal/social trend that will eventually sweep the U.S.?

As 2014 unfolded, legal marijuana sales began in the state of Colorado. Washington state will follow later this year.

By all reports, the crowds waiting in line were large but mellow.

Thoughts?

From The DENVER POST:


http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_24828236/worlds-first-legal-recreational-marijuana-sales-begin-colorado


From The COLORADO SPRINGS GAZETTE:


http://gazette.com/video-legal-retail-sales-begin-in-colorado-on-marijuana-industrys-independence-day/article/1511886


Meanwhile, further south in the Americas, the baby steps movement to marijuana legalization & sales in certain U.S. states might seem to be either schizophrenic and/or hypocritical, given the United States' aggressive prosecution of the war on drugs in Latin America. (Granted, the obvious differences between marijuana and cocaine, heroin, etc.)

From The NEW REPUBLIC on line...


http://www.newrepublic.com/article/116076/uruguays-pot-legalization-bad-americas-war-drugs


First accounts suggested a number of first-day customers for legal marijuana in Colorado came from other states -- where marijuana possession & consumption -- is NOT legal.

(For that reason, Colorado limits out-of-staters' purchases to a quarter of an ounce at a time, presuming the marijuana use would take place within Colorado.)

Think Progress chronicles that and other caveats about Colorado's legal grass...


http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/01/01/3108561/know-buying-pot-colorado/

Posted at 8:03am on January 2, 2014 by Allan Loudell

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Comments on this post:

billsmith
Thu, Jan 2, 2014 8:24am
Wow, the price has really gone up. They are selling weed for about $40 for the equivalent of a 1/12th of an ounce. That's $480 an ounce. You used to be able to buy an ounce for $20 or maybe $30 (tops) an ounce. This better be good stuff at those prices.

Hippies were making social and political statements, or just wanting to have some fun themselves and share it with their friends. Now corporate greed is taking over.

Christofascists ruined beer, set wine back almost a century and damaged rye with their prohibition. Now they are on their way to ruining another good thing - plus ruining a lot of people's lives with their drug laws. Historians now know the stories Church Nazis like to tell about Romans persecuting Christians were lies but maybe it would not have been a bad idea for dealing with self-righteous kill-joys and social bullies.

"Tea" used to be a slang term for grass. Of course, the tea baggers have no idea what a real party is.

EarlGrey
Thu, Jan 2, 2014 11:21am
I wonder how many more pot-related arrests will be made thanks to the ridiculous number of caveats in the Colorado pot laws? The ThinkProgress story lists quite a few "grey areas" that could easily set up people (mostly out-of-state buyers).


Bill: It was Progressive/Nanny-State officials (such as Bloomberg) who outlawed alcohol...

We can thank Christians for beer (Thank you, brilliant monks)

Jesus not only doesn't condemn the drinking of wine (no matter what Baptists say) and He actually MADE wine for a party. Jesus knew how to party ;)

billsmith
Thu, Jan 2, 2014 12:06pm
Earl: Wrong. Beer was around long before monks, before Jesus, before Moses... And it was church groups (i.e., The Women's Christian Temperance Union) that pushed for prohibition. Not all church groups. Papists like the sauce. Maybe that's why the monks make it and priests won't share it. But the fundamentalists pushing it were also motivated by anti-immigrant (anti-Irish, anti-Italian and anti-German) prejudice. Either you never paid attention in history class or you lie (like Pizza).

EarlGrey
Thu, Jan 2, 2014 1:12pm
Bill: When you are right (and I'm wrong,) I will freely admit it... you are correct about the lengthy history of beer and its popularity over the ages.

However, nationwide Prohibition (and a Constitutional amendment) was pushed by the Progressives... the Women's Temperance League pushed for state-by-state Prohibition.

This is like comparing Romney-Care (state choice) to 0bama-Care (forced nationwide Prohibition (repeal of the amendment after years of chaos) and we see how the nation (as a whole) is pushing against nationwide forced health-care insurance.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_Era

Arthur
Thu, Jan 2, 2014 2:30pm
Man, if Delaware ever legalized the sale of pot, I know exactly where I would put a Taco Bell franchise.

EarlGrey
Thu, Jan 2, 2014 2:48pm
It would be great for mrpizza's employer too ;) LOL

Dunmore
Thu, Jan 2, 2014 3:14pm
Has anyone been following the progress of Delaware's medical marijuana laws? As far as I can tell, you can get a license to buy medical marijuana. You need a prescription and have to fill out a form and pay $125.

The hang-up is that the state has not approved any "compassion centers" to grow and distribute the pot. The state was supposed to look for bids by the end of 2013, make an announcement in the beginning of 2014, and have one open by July 1st. I have not seen any information on whether they have any people bidding on this.

So, the net effect is that medical pot does not exist in DE.

I am not surprised by this. It has long been a ploy by politicians to get votes: Pass a law but not implement it.

Relevant web page on DHSS site: http://dhss.delaware.gov/dph/hsp/medmarhome.html

billsmith
Thu, Jan 2, 2014 3:56pm
Earl: Progressives in 1919 and the period before were a different breed from progressives today. For one thing, most were Republicans. For another, it was a White Anglo Saxon Protestant and middle class movement in opposition to both political machines (mostly Democratic and largely immigrant and Catholic) and to the elite business interests and "trusts" of the day.

Now don't tell me you want to compare Bloomberg's anti-obesity campaign in New York (supported by his successor and apparently successful) with the Pure Food and Drug Act as examples of the "nanny state."

By the way, if something is a good idea - or a bad idea - it's good or bad whether it's a federal or a state law. Prohibition was a constitutional amendment ratified by all but two of the state legislatures (and Delaware was an early adopter - number nine, six weeks after Congress sent it to the states). In contrast, Delaware took over 40 years to ratify the 13th amendment abolishing slavery (by then it was a done deal any way).

EarlGrey
Thu, Jan 2, 2014 4:02pm
...my original post is now garbled...should read more like:

This is like comparing Romney-Care (state choice) to 0bama-Care (forced nationwide).

We know how the nation handled Prohibition (repeal of the Constitutional amendment) after years of chaos caused by Prohibition...and we see how the nation (as a whole) is pushing against forced health-care insurance.

billsmith
Thu, Jan 2, 2014 5:46pm
Wrong, again! The "nation," as you put it, is not pushing against health care reform. They are pushing against how the "greatest president in our lifetime" screwed it up.
One might even think he took a pay-off from the insurance companies or the Koch Brothers to do it on purpose. It's "the Chicago way."
Don't forget, the nation handled prohibition twice. Two constitutional amendments. The Republicans (White, Anglo-Saxon, Protestants) passed it. The Democrats under FDR got it repealed.
You make selective use of history, just like you make selective use of scripture, to support whatever point you want to make. Dry fundamentalists like to claim that the wine at that wedding reception was not really wine but more like Welch's grape juice. Did you know that the wedding was probably Jesus' wedding. Otherwise, why would the catering staff be taking orders from Mary?

mrpizza
Thu, Jan 2, 2014 8:28pm
Well of course it will sweep the U.S. Pot is going the way of homosexuality and all other forms of debauchery.

mrpizza
Thu, Jan 2, 2014 10:01pm
Hey everybody, isn't Bill just an angry young man?

EarlGrey
Fri, Jan 3, 2014 12:54am
bill: After your recent series of ridiculous Biblical claims I guess any reasonable talk concerning Jesus is a huge waste of my (and your) time. It seems you are a Jesus-phobe and feel the need to make utterly absurd statements due to your distaste/hate for Christianity. Sorry you feel that way, and haven't the ability to peacefully discuss our differing views.

On politics... there are Progressives on both sides of the political aisle now just as there were in the past. In the present, we have Hillary Clinton as a self-titled Progressive for the Democrat side and people like McCain on the Republican side.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/stevenhayward/2013/12/11/now-that-hillary-clinton-has-dismissed-liberalism-can-conservatives-take-it-back/
...instead of calling for a return to the older liberalism of individual freedom against “big power,” she said she preferred to think of herself as a “progressive.” “Progressive,” Hillary explained, “has a real American meaning, going back to the progressive era at the beginning of the 20th century.” This is highly significant, for more reasons than Hillary admitted, but which she privately knows well. A return to the older liberalism of individual freedom against “big power” would involve reducing the power of big government—-the greatest power center in the nation these days. And the key architects of transforming the older liberal tradition into a doctrine of big centralized power were—the Progressives.

billsmith
Fri, Jan 3, 2014 3:40am
Earl: Whatever Forbes wants to call her, Hillary does not call herself a "progressive" and progressives don't call her a progressive. The reason is she and Bill have always run and taken positions as centrist or third-way "new Democrats."

Scripture is like a Rorschach ink blot. You can see anything in it and what you see says more about you than about scripture. And you can find quotes that say whatever you want to say on Google.

I can see why Bible-thumpers don't like the core curriculum. If you teach kids critical thinking skills, in a generation churches will empty out (more importantly, so will collection plates).

My "absurd statements" come from valid Biblical and historic scholarship by real academics (not preachers' sermons).

EarlGrey
Sun, Jan 5, 2014 12:29am
bill: Which "real scholars" have determined Jesus' water/wine miracle was for His own marriage ceremony?...and on what source do these scholars base this claim? You say one should apply critical thinking and then rely on your supposed "scholars" for your answers to life. You are correct that scripture can be twisted (as you continue to do) to reach the conclusions you desire to be correct. Again, your "Christ-phobia" has blinded your ability to use reason vs hate.

And Hillary has said on multiple occasions that she considers herself a Progressive. Hillary was a Republican when she was young and during/after college became a die-hard Progressive. Bill Clinton was the blue-dog/Centrist Democrat...not Hillary. If people vote for Hillary hoping to have a third-term of Bill they will be dramatically surprised.


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